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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: htur_75
This whole thing with the "Under God" thing has made me think more about my rights and refresh what I have learned in school about the constitution.

Same here. I've been involved in politics/government for almost the last 20 years, and sometimes I get really tired of all of it and want to go do something "normal." But then I get reminded why we fight for the things we fight for. I'm about to get back on my soap-box and start finding an outlet for my commentary again...

13,021 posted on 07/11/2002 9:24:31 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
But then I get reminded why we fight for the things we fight for. I'm about to get back on my soap-box and start finding an outlet for my commentary again...

If we don't stand up on our soap-boxes and fight for what we believe in, who will stand up in our stead? A good reminder to America to wake-up and quit being lazy about our rights.

13,022 posted on 07/11/2002 10:14:10 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: ksen
Thanks for getting the name of that woman

You're welcome! ;) After following a few more links, it seems her version was the hit country version... also made it to the mid-50s on the pop charts, back in 1971.

one by Steppenwolf with "Magic Carpet Ride"

Rock out!

13,023 posted on 07/11/2002 10:14:55 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands
Congrats!

Thank you!

I think I need to get out of this building

It sounds like the folks in your building have a lot of non-work troubles to distract them... must be very difficult at times.

13,024 posted on 07/11/2002 10:17:29 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Corin Stormhands; 2Jedismom; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; ksen; Bear_in_RoseBear; ecurbh; All
Hullo all...just got back from a meeting at the Pentagon...the idjits finally broke my streak...I've been in NOVA for two years and this was the first meeting I've had to attend in the "Five-Sided Insane Asylum"...people stared at me slack jawed when I told them...I was hopin' to go the full three years...

I've been trackin' the conversations after I left yesterday...No more Gomer references...if ya know what's good fer yuh!

13,025 posted on 07/11/2002 10:28:36 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Whadya mean? Gomer has a great singing voice!

He can even sing a capella!

13,026 posted on 07/11/2002 10:34:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
What are you singing???

It's a new arrangement by Fernando Ortega of an old spiritual... Give me Jesus...Very simple accompaniment, simple tune...very effective. Thanks for the offer to play with me. Listen to it here:

http://goccc.com/goccc/givmejesfero.html

13,027 posted on 07/11/2002 10:36:55 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
He can even sing a capella!

I prefer to sing a capella, or with a simple accompaniment...i.e. piano or acoustic guitar...

Ol' Jimbo is also a rump ranger...

13,028 posted on 07/11/2002 10:40:01 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: 2Jedismom
pardon me, that link is broken...if you want to hear it, and you have Realplayer, go here:

http://goccc.com/goccc/ferorhomnewr.html

13,029 posted on 07/11/2002 10:42:48 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Thought that was just a rumor...mean, mean, mean.
13,030 posted on 07/11/2002 10:42:57 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
Hullo all...just got back from a meeting at the Pentagon...

Well I am impressed... I was out cleaning up dog poo while you were doing that!

13,031 posted on 07/11/2002 10:43:22 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: g'nad
What key is it in?
13,032 posted on 07/11/2002 10:44:46 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Look! Over there!

Great head fake! Nice technique!

13,033 posted on 07/11/2002 10:45:06 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Overtaxed
Thought that was just a rumor...mean, mean, mean.

Nope...it's a fact, fact, fact... he lives with his...umm...buddy, in Hawaii...

13,034 posted on 07/11/2002 10:46:59 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Pretty tune!
13,035 posted on 07/11/2002 10:47:01 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: HairOfTheDog
I was out cleaning up dog poo while you were doing that!

I have a gif for that... would it be out of line?...

Don't be impressed...it was rather anti-climactic...

13,036 posted on 07/11/2002 10:48:33 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Thanks for the url. I'll listen tonite. Tells me I need a new Real Player and I can't do that here...(or yahoo, or ICQ or....)...sigh...

But I love that song. We used it a couple of years ago in our Easter Production (you should come down some time).

Hey g'nad, any chance I'll run into you at PK this weekend?

13,037 posted on 07/11/2002 10:50:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: g'nad
Oh let me be impressed! It is so rare that I get to be impressed!
13,038 posted on 07/11/2002 10:51:10 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: 2Jedismom
Ya like it? I've done a couple of his songs, always get a great response...I've been told I sing his music well...we have the same range...well, I my voice is a little lower... I'm a true bass, but I can eek out a second tenor if necessary...
13,039 posted on 07/11/2002 10:52:02 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog; g'nad
I was out cleaning up dog poo while you were doing that!

I worked in DC for 8 years. I'd rather have your job.

13,040 posted on 07/11/2002 10:52:12 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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