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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: HairOfTheDog
Wish me luck!

Good luck! Hope you have a great day!

12,501 posted on 07/08/2002 6:26:22 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: g'nad
I do too! This particular weed that we have now is very soft...and looks like a type of grass, very soft and leafy. It just forms a carpet and it's overwhelming to pull, although very easy to pull up.

The sandburs were incredible. Hard to pull up and then half the time you got a handful of burs when you tried. Barbed little devils you had to pull from your fingers forcefully. But the pulling worked because there are hardly any left in our yard, we can walk in comfort barefooted and we are the only people in the neighborhood that can. We also fertilize using a stuff called Milorganite and the stickers seem to hate it. We have to be ever diligent though.

Steve has pulled the soft weeds all around the perimeter of our yard and the bermuda forms so thick a mat that they don't come back as easily and the bermuda is dark green. The weeds are light green and easy to spot.


12,502 posted on 07/08/2002 6:26:56 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
Did you stop in Raleigh for the $1.25 show of LOTR? :)

Raleigh is out of our way for our trip to Greensboro. We avoid I-85 and I-40 as much as possible...

12,503 posted on 07/08/2002 6:27:07 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
Ahhh, missed it by that much...

Good morning...

12,504 posted on 07/08/2002 6:27:23 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: g'nad
Do you get to see snow?

Haven't seen snow here in Texas in 3 years...

12,505 posted on 07/08/2002 6:28:08 AM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; g'nad; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; 2Jedismom
If I wasn't back in the office today, I'd say it's my lucky day. But I did just sort of pop in right on time. Gotta run now and actually see what was left for me while I was out. Back later...
12,506 posted on 07/08/2002 6:29:11 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
doh!!!

I step out for two minutes...

g'mornin Corin!

12,507 posted on 07/08/2002 6:31:36 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Corin Stormhands
We avoid I-85 and I-40 as much as possible...

Don't blame you! I haven't checked out Greensboro for dollar theaters...Raleigh is closer.

12,508 posted on 07/08/2002 6:36:16 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: 2Jedismom
That's one of the things I liked about 29 Palms...lawn maintenance made easy...rake you sand twice a month, and you're good to go...and keep the diazanon handy for the occaisional fire ant mound...
12,509 posted on 07/08/2002 6:36:55 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Do you get to see snow?

Only had about 2-3 snowfalls in the past two years...none of 'em stuck for more than a few days...

12,510 posted on 07/08/2002 6:39:40 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
This is a picture of a sand burr. The spikes are microscopically barbed. They hurt worse coming out than going in. We literally pulled up 4-5 huge (moving type) boxes full of these. We couldn't use gloves because you had to be able to feel the roots to make sure you got it all. I used a butter knife to loosen them, then just prayed and reached in and pulled. Each stick I got left a little lump that stayed for several weeks. It was agony! After several weeks of pulling, my fingers were a lumpy mess!


12,511 posted on 07/08/2002 6:40:47 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
Then of course your neighbors let their sand burrs go to seed and the seeds land in your yard.
12,512 posted on 07/08/2002 6:43:39 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Yes. Or their kids track them into our yard. Like I say, we have to be diligent. We most commonly see them re-appear around the edges for this reason, I imagine. They also seem to use care not to blow the seeds into the yard when they mow. Still, my husband has also pulled the burrs in their yard, using a long handled cultivator three feet from their fence line.
12,513 posted on 07/08/2002 6:48:31 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
What a horrid looking thing that is!

We have an ouchy kind of sticker weed here too, but I don't know what it is called.

I used to be quite lawn obsessed at my last place... constant watering and mowing... Had to have perfect diagonal lawnmower tracks in the lawn at my prior place. I enjoyed working on it quite a bit.

I don't have a lawn so much now... I sortof stopped caring about it when I moved here and had more other work to do. My yard for the dogs is about a 3/4 of an acre, and it is entirely treed with firs, so it is too shady for good grass. It is kindof a combination of grass, moss and weeds that I just keep mowed by horse power and tidy up with the trimmer.
12,514 posted on 07/08/2002 6:52:46 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah, we don't care so much about the weeds in the back yard (except for stickers...every time one of the boys finds a sticker they both get a Whopper candy!)

Our yard, even with this soft light green weed, is one of the nicest in the neighborhood. I think it must be because we merely mow and edge it. No kidding. Most people in the neighborhood just hack theirs down when it gets really tall.
12,515 posted on 07/08/2002 6:56:29 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Overtaxed
Going outside with the boys for a while, before it gets too hot. We put netting over our tomatoe plants to keep the birds away...I want to check that out.


12,516 posted on 07/08/2002 7:47:18 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
We put netting over our tomatoe plants to keep the birds away...

Birds, huh? we got deer mowin' down our tomato plants (and everything else)here...they're lucky we live on base, cuz if we didn't I'd have fresh venison in the freezer...

12,517 posted on 07/08/2002 8:32:47 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad

12,518 posted on 07/08/2002 8:35:41 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: g'nad
they're lucky we live on base, cuz if we didn't I'd have fresh venison in the freezer...

They know that. That's why they're there...

12,519 posted on 07/08/2002 8:37:04 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Corin Stormhands
They know that. That's why they're there...

Tell me about it... Last winter I tracked a nice 14 pt buck that hangs around the housing area...I tracked him for two days,he never got more than 200 yards from a building. Even when rutting does were around, he wouldn't follow them out of the "safe-zone"...(bow hunting is allowed on Mainside, but not within 400 yds of housing)...They have deer here that live for years and never venture out of "sanctuary"...

12,520 posted on 07/08/2002 9:08:59 AM PDT by g'nad
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