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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Sam Cree
I don't see where you get "pudgy" from.

You will note I have a strategically placed 6 year old in front of my pudgy parts! LOL

12,381 posted on 07/06/2002 11:55:18 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
My goal in raising my kids is not "growing kids God's way", but raising Godly kids. I think there is a difference. I want to be an example to my children on godly living, and I want to encourage them to become godly, but ultimately it is their choice. For example, my husband comes from a very godly home. His father was an extremly godly man, and I admire him. My husband's family raised their children to be godly, but not all of them have chosen to be godly. It was ultimately a choice they made. That's what I think is important for parents. They need to be an example, teach their children right from wrong, punish them if need be, but in the end they have to be let go to make thier own decisions.
12,382 posted on 07/06/2002 11:56:11 AM PDT by htur_75
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To: htur_75
http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co. uk/

Swimming lessons have started. Matt and Steve are gone, Josh is down for a nap. I'm catching up on my posts!
12,383 posted on 07/06/2002 11:57:23 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: htur_75
Yep, some day you just gotta let go of that bicycle! LOL
12,384 posted on 07/06/2002 11:58:27 AM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: htur_75; HairOfTheDog; Overtaxed
Another picture of the boys...acting goofy with my dad.

I feel like one of those moms that carries around a big old wallet of pictures with her and is all the time saying "You wanna see my pictures of my kids?" LOL

12,385 posted on 07/06/2002 12:33:52 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
I think they are great. Neat to see the kids after hearing so much about them!

I am just taking a breather from the weed-whacking the pasture fence. I am using hand-tools for a tractor job. I am a farmer without farm tools... I am a farmer's wife without a farmer!

Ginsu Hobbit farmer

12,386 posted on 07/06/2002 12:37:29 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Your ginsu guy isn't showing up for some reason...
12,387 posted on 07/06/2002 12:41:02 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: 2Jedismom
hmmm... he is for me... right click him and "show picture" or refresh... he may have just tripped on a bump in the internet.

I am off again! Back in another tank of gas!
12,388 posted on 07/06/2002 12:43:41 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Be careful! Wear Safety glasses!
12,389 posted on 07/06/2002 12:47:12 PM PDT by 2Jedismom
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
I hate deer.


12,390 posted on 07/06/2002 1:21:15 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Ok - enough weed-whacking for one day! - I am gonna go get some hay to unload tomorrow, and then go have a pound o'steak at the tavern with a friend.

My baby bunny is still around and scampering very normal bunny like! - I saw him again today. He is not much bigger than a rat, but he seems to be finding the food I left under the mangers and avoiding my blind cat and the dogs.
12,391 posted on 07/06/2002 3:15:35 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
He seems to be doing okay then. That's what you want, right? Right now I'm not feeling very varmint-friendly!
12,392 posted on 07/06/2002 3:30:16 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Sure that is what I want! - I don't have any crops though, so I like my bunny family around.
12,393 posted on 07/06/2002 3:37:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
If bunnies have done damage to my crop, I can't tell because of the deer! Just call me Farmer Maggot.
12,394 posted on 07/06/2002 3:40:13 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
hehehe - I have a deer too... in my woods. She is pretty shy, but I have seen her twice recently. I like her around too.

Well, it is shower time... then on to dinner! - See everyone around later - perhaps!
12,395 posted on 07/06/2002 3:44:33 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I hate deer.

Welcome to the club!

12,396 posted on 07/06/2002 4:41:06 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, it looks like we're the only animal lovers around here ;) I love deer too--and my Dad was bragging the other day that they had a deer making herself at home at the ol' homestead as well as a family of black bears that seems to have moved in behind my parents house as well.

I may have to start visiting home more often, just for a chance to see the resident wildlife. ;)

12,397 posted on 07/06/2002 5:29:32 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
I'd like the resident wildlife better if they would leave my beans alone. They even munched on my corn for crying out loud!
12,398 posted on 07/06/2002 6:05:13 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Hmmm....two sneaks away....
12,399 posted on 07/06/2002 6:06:00 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Old habits (hobbits?) die hard.
12,400 posted on 07/06/2002 6:06:48 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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