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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat; Poetry; TV/Movies; The Hobbit Hole
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To: Overtaxed
Borogroves
10,801 posted on 06/25/2002 12:34:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I dunno... Sauron is here (Middle Earth)
10,802 posted on 06/25/2002 12:34:47 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sauron is here (Middle Earth)

I was thinking that the five Istari are a subgroup of Maiar that were sent on a mission to Middle Earth.

Borogroves gets the semiPrecious!

10,803 posted on 06/25/2002 12:37:41 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Did you see Legolas shield-boarding down the stairs? hehehehe

Penny - Can you get us any screen caps from this thang?

Huh? Did I miss something? Geez, not being online during the day really sucks! I'm assuming this means there is a new trailer out--I'm also assuming that it is an official internet trailer (I hope). I will make screencaps if I can, as soon as I can, and let y'all know. Sorry I didn't have time to catch up with all the posts to see what's going on, but I'll catch up tonight hopefully.

Now, I have to go back to the salt mines. :( Hopefully, I'll catch ya'll tonight when I get home....

10,804 posted on 06/25/2002 12:38:15 PM PDT by Penny1
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To: Penny1
Yep you missed something! There is an early release out of the Teaser Trailer... It is Quicktime, but fairly low resolution... Look for two threads on it in the Hobbit topic, and one post of mine buried here.

I bet this is an unauthorized version of the one reported to be released on the official site July 6... Which I would expect will be a nice high res version.

10,805 posted on 06/25/2002 12:45:50 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; All
I'm outta here... gotta go hurt my body... in this heat, that won't be too hard...see y'all tomorrow!
10,806 posted on 06/25/2002 12:48:05 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog
UPDATE:

Our little group of hobbits have just entered the Hall of Fire at Rivendell and guess who they found sleeping there?....................our dear Bilbo.

Frodo and Bilbo are getting reacquainted now.
10,807 posted on 06/25/2002 1:03:03 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Update:

There's a council going on, seems there is trouble brewing all over Middle-Earth.
10,808 posted on 06/25/2002 1:09:30 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Update:

Anduril has just been reforged, and Frodo is being given a new "sword."
10,809 posted on 06/25/2002 1:32:32 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Update:

Uh oh, trouble on Caradhras.
10,810 posted on 06/25/2002 1:41:30 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed
Are you home yet? Or are you still watching dirt thaw?
10,811 posted on 06/25/2002 1:42:51 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Update:

Gandalf just babbled something and a bunch of trees caught on fire.

Hhmm, they're on their way to Moria, I have a bad feeling about this.
10,812 posted on 06/25/2002 1:49:47 PM PDT by ksen
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To: HairOfTheDog
Update:

They've entered Moria.

I'll have to leave them there because it is time to go home and take my wife out on a date, chinese food tonight.
10,813 posted on 06/25/2002 1:58:03 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Are you home yet?

I'm home now!

10,814 posted on 06/25/2002 2:02:33 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
I'm home now!

Glad you made it home safe. Now I'm leaving, toodles. ;^)

10,815 posted on 06/25/2002 2:11:41 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
Drat... OK... We shall leave them in Moria then... I have been working... - I forgot to have lunch... Need to figure out what to do about that. more later!
10,816 posted on 06/25/2002 2:15:07 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog; Penny1; Sam Cree; JenB; 2Jedismom; All
I think I've found it! In Letters number 143 to Rayner Unwin Jan 22, 1954:
I am not at all happy about the title 'the Two Towers'. It must if there is any real reference in it to Vol II refer to Orthanc and the Tower of Cirith Ungol. But since there is so much made of the basic opposition of the Dark Tower and Minas Tirith, that seems very misleading. There is, of course, actually no real connecting link between Books III and IV, when cut off and presented separately as a volume.

10,817 posted on 06/25/2002 2:45:34 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: HairOfTheDog
Where are my Mallorn seeds?
10,818 posted on 06/25/2002 2:50:38 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed
Coming.... I am gonna have to find some!

So it is Cirith Ungul/Minus Morgul/Minus Ithyl?(curse this habit of giving everything four names)

10,819 posted on 06/25/2002 2:55:57 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: Overtaxed
I think I've found it!

Congratulations! I think it's neat that the title can apply so many ways... Orthanc & Cirith Ungol (which is one I hadn't thought of), Minas Morgul & Minas Tirith, Barad-Dur & Orthanc, etc., etc.

Borogroves?

10,820 posted on 06/25/2002 2:56:59 PM PDT by Bear_in_RoseBear
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