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The New Hobbit Hole

Posted on 03/14/2002 5:07:26 AM PST by HairOfTheDog

Welcome to The New Hobbit Hole

Concerning Hobbits

The New Hobbit Chronicles

This is a continuation of the infamous thread New Zealander Builds Hobbit Hole originally posted on January 26, 2001 by John Farson, who at the time undoubtedly thought he had found a rather obscure article that would elicit a few replies and die out. Without knowing it, he became the founder of the Hobbit Hole. For reasons incomprehensible to some, the thread grew to over 4100 replies. It became the place for hobbits and friends of hobbits to chit chat and share LoTR news and views, hang out, and talk amongst ourselves in the comfort of familiar surroundings.

In keeping with the new posting guidelines, the thread idea is continuing here, as will the Green Dragon Inn, our more structured spin-off thread, as soon as we figure out how to move all the good discussion that has been had there. As for the Hobbit Hole, we will just start fresh, bringing only a few mathoms such as the picture above with us to make it feel like home, and perhaps a walk down memory lane:

Our discussion has been light:

It very well may be that a thread named "New Zealander builds Hobbit hole" will end up being the longest Tolkien thread of them all, with some of the best heartfelt content... Sorry John, but I would have rather it had been one with a more distinguished title!… post 252 - HairOfTheDog

However, I can still celebrate, with quiet dignity, the fact that what started as a laugh about some wacko in New Zealand has mutated and grown into a multifaceted discussion of the art, literature, and philosophy that is Tolkien. And now that I've managed to write the most pompous sentence of my entire life, I agree, Rosie… post 506 - JenB

Hah! I was number 1000!! (Elvish victory dance... wait, no; that would be too flitty) … post 1001 - BibChr

Real men don't have to be afraid of being flitty! Go for it. – post 1011 – HairOfTheDog

Seventeen years to research one mystical object seems a bit excessive… post 1007 - JenB

Okay...who's the wise guy who didn't renew Gandalf's research grant?… post 1024 – Overtaxed

To the very philosophical:

…Judas Iscariot obviously was a good man, or he wouldn't have been chosen to be one of the Apostles. He loved Jesus, like all of the Apostles, but he betrayed him. Yet without his betrayal, the Passion and Crucifixion would never have occurred, and mankind would not have been redeemed. So without his self-destruction infinite good would not have been accomplished. I certainly do not mean this to be irreverant but it seems to me that this describes the character of Gollum, in the scenes so movingly portrayed above… Lucius Cornelius Sulla

To fun but heartfelt debates about the integrity and worth of some of the characters…

…Anyone else notice how Boromir treats the hobbits? He's very fond of them but he seems to think of them as children - ruffling Frodo's hair, calls them all 'little ones'. He likes them, but I don't think he really respects them… post 1536 - JenB

Yes... Tolkien told us not to trust Boromir right off the bat when he began to laugh at Bilbo, until he realized that the Council obviously held this hobbit in high esteem. What a pompous dolt… post 1538 - HairOfTheDog

…I think almost every fault of his can be traced directly back to his blindness to anything spiritual or unseen. He considers the halflings as children, because that is what they look like. He considers the only hope of the ring to be in taking it and using it for a victory in the physical realm. He cannot see what the hobbits are truly made of, he cannot see the unseen hope of what the destruction of the ring might mean--the destruction of Sauron himself, and he cannot see the unseen danger that lies in the use of the ring itself… I just feel sorry for Boromir--he is like a blind but honorable man, trying to take the right path on the road but missing the right path entirely because he simply cannot see it… post 1548 - Penny1

Boromir isn't a jerk, he's a jock… post 2401 – Overtaxed

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Oh, I think by the time Frodo reaches the Cracks, he's not even himself anymore! I think he's not only on the brink of a dangerous place physically, he's on the brink of losing himself completely during the exchange with Gollum. But for some reason, the take-over isn't complete till he actually has to throw the Ring in. The person speaking to Gollum is not Frodo, but the "Wheel of Fire" that Sam sees. After the Ring is destroyed, Frodo not only comes back to himself, but comes back with the unbearable (to him) knowledge of what it's like to be completely without compassion. I think that's why it's so important to him to be compassionate in the Shire… post 2506 - 2Jedismom

…Regarding Frodo's compassion... it's a little too much at the end. Even Merry tells him that he's going to have to quit being so darn nice. But you're right. He's learned a lesson about evil that very few ever learn since it wasn't an external lesson but an internal one. (Those kinds of lessons have the greatest impact) Not only did he totally succumb to it, but he was rather ruthless to my little Smeagol… post 2516 - carton253

Well that Frodo was a big mean bully! (to Smeagol)… post 2519 – Overtaxed

So as you can see, everything JRR Tolkien (and Peter Jackson) is welcome here in our New Row, our soon-to-be familiar New Hobbit Hole…; philosophy, opinion, good talk and frequent silliness.


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To: ksen
I think I may have to take Blockbuster up on their deal.

Maybe I will too. I was gonna wait for the longer version, but this could work.

10,281 posted on 06/21/2002 10:15:05 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Sam Cree
(sugar does IMHO)

Sugar aggravates my arthritis.

10,282 posted on 06/21/2002 10:15:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: All
http://www.theonering.net/movi e/scrapbook/large/4132

A place where you can find live Ents!
10,283 posted on 06/21/2002 10:18:37 AM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
"Blockbuster's LOTR Promotion

Dude! I'm there! We usually get our movies elsewhere but I'm thinkin' we need to go to Blockbuster's this summer...sneakin’…

10,284 posted on 06/21/2002 10:59:31 AM PDT by g'nad
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To: HairOfTheDog; JenB; Penny1; 2Jedismom; Corin Stormhands; Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Overtaxed; ksen
Well, friends, this is my last post for a while. I got the moving truck packed up last night, and take off first thing in the morning. I have no idea when I will be able to get back online to check in with y'all, but I shall return! Until our next meeting...

Namárië,
Ecurbh

The Road goes ever on and on
 Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
 And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
 Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
 And whither then? I cannot say.

P.S. Just seconds ago, before I clicked the post button, I got a call to set up a job interview when I get to town. This is at the newspaper, which was my first choice! I am kind of stoked about that.

10,285 posted on 06/21/2002 11:12:24 AM PDT by ecurbh
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To: ecurbh
"Don't you lose him Samwise Gamgee..."

Be safe friend. Travel well. We'll be here when you return.

Looking forward to hearing of your adventures.

10,286 posted on 06/21/2002 11:14:58 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: ecurbh
Good luck on the job!

Keep it secret, keep it safe. Don't travel at night. Use the name "Underhill" when you get to Bree.

Also, fasten your seatbelt, lock your doors, and look both ways before you cross the street! :)

10,287 posted on 06/21/2002 11:19:47 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: ecurbh
‘Be of good hope!... We will send our messages through the lands. The Wandering Companies shall know of your journey, and those that have power for good shall be on the watch. I name you Elf-friend; and may the stars shine upon the end of your road!

I look forward to your return! Namárië!

10,288 posted on 06/21/2002 11:29:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ecurbh
Good luck with your return to the Valley of the Sun. It is possible that my wandering path may take me that way again. I expect by then you will know where to get the best Tequila Sunrise! Look forward to your return.
10,289 posted on 06/21/2002 11:39:21 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla
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To: ecurbh
I have no idea when I will be able to get back online to check in with y'all, but I shall return!

Remember, the public library is your friend! ;^)

Good luck on the move and the job interview. See you WHEN you get back.

10,290 posted on 06/21/2002 12:02:15 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Corin Stormhands; g'nad; Overtaxed; HairOfTheDog; JenB
Has FR been slow for you guys/gals today? It has been crawling for me. ;^(
10,291 posted on 06/21/2002 12:12:08 PM PDT by ksen
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To: ksen
FR hasn't been that bad...Other sites are slow, and I just can't get to alot of other sites...could be worse...
10,292 posted on 06/21/2002 12:18:27 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad; ksen
My network has been screwy all week.
10,293 posted on 06/21/2002 12:22:07 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad; Corin Stormhands; HairOfTheDog; JenB
Wow, I see everyone took HOTD's suggestion to heart. Here we are, a mere 6 posts away from "00" and no one is racing for the Ring.

We'll see if it lasts. ;^)
10,294 posted on 06/21/2002 12:45:55 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed; ksen
I can't even get to google fer cryin' out loud...sneakin’…
10,295 posted on 06/21/2002 12:46:26 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
I couldn't get to FR this morning. 502 Gateway error!
10,296 posted on 06/21/2002 12:47:32 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad
Every now and then I get an "Error 713: Loose Nut Behind Keyboard".

Usually that one happens when my wife is on the computer. Tech support has been no help.
10,297 posted on 06/21/2002 12:58:18 PM PDT by ksen
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To: Overtaxed; g'nad; Corin Stormhands; ksen
It has slow for me, and I have cable. Busy day or live tinkering might be slowing us down.
10,298 posted on 06/21/2002 12:58:45 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: ksen
"Error 713: Loose Nut Behind Keyboard".

Oy...my world just keeps spinnin'...sneakin’…

10,299 posted on 06/21/2002 1:00:43 PM PDT by g'nad
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To: g'nad
Mine?
10,300 posted on 06/21/2002 1:01:36 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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