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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Yes, you changed the subject. I asked specific questions, which you ignored and moved the goalposts to justification for removal from office.

By the way, your link shows no violation of the constitution by Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi prior to ousting Mosaddegh. The only point I’ve ever addressed is whether or not the events of 1953 were a “coup.” If they were legal, they were no more a coup than British King William IV dismissing the prime minister in 1834.

I’ve never denied that the CIA conducted influence operations in Iran. But it WAS the Iranians that sorted it out. We didn’t depose anyone. Whether or not that was wise is a matter of opinion. Louis XVI interfered in the affairs of Great Britain in 1776. Shall we tear down the statues of Lafayette?

Citing the ouster 1953 as the birthplace of today’s Islamic dictatorship in Iran is a gross distortion of history and a blatant exercise in anti-American propaganda. It ignores the Shia historic worldview and the long record of foreign intrigue and domination of Iran going back centuries. Wars, invasions, and coercion date back at least to the first war with Russia in 1651. These interventions were largely part of the rivalries between Russia, the UK, and the Ottoman Empire. The U.S. had no role prior to WWII, and really little even through Mossadegh’s tumultuous regime.


366 posted on 08/05/2026 6:53:17 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Yes, you changed the subject. I asked specific questions, which you ignored and moved the goalposts to justification for removal from office.

You keep throwing what that constitution said at me, but what it said or meant depended on who the monarch was at the time. We'll see an example of that later.

By the way, your link shows no violation of the constitution by Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi prior to ousting Mosaddegh.

Review "1. The 1949 Constitutional Amendment: Power to Dissolve Parliament" and "2. The 1953 Coup: Overthrowing Constitutional Government". Here's the link again.

Stolen Legacy: How Reza Pahlavi Rewrites His Father’s and Grandfather’s Constitutional Violations as Achievements

The only point I’ve ever addressed is whether or not the events of 1953 were a "coup." If they were legal, they were no more a coup than British King William IV dismissing the prime minister in 1834.

Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.

I’ve never denied that the CIA conducted influence operations in Iran.

You've just tried to hide behind "It depends on what the meaning of "coup" is."

But it WAS the Iranians that sorted it out. We didn’t depose anyone.

Marking the sixtieth anniversary of the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, the National Security Archive is today posting recently declassified CIA documents on the United States' role in the controversial operation. American and British involvement in Mosaddeq's ouster has long been public knowledge, but today's posting includes what is believed to be the CIA's first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup.

Whether or not that was wise is a matter of opinion. Louis XVI interfered in the affairs of Great Britain in 1776. Shall we tear down the statues of Lafayette?

Apples and oranges. We went on to form our own nation after the Revolution, and installed our own form of government. In the case of Iran, we threw out their democratically elected government.

Citing the ouster 1953 as the birthplace of today’s Islamic dictatorship in Iran is a gross distortion of history and a blatant exercise in anti-American propaganda.

The government we helped stay in power was the same government Iran overthrew in 1979. That's a fact. If it's anti-American, then the problem was with our policies at the time, not in what is said.

It ignores the Shia historic worldview and the long record of foreign intrigue and domination of Iran going back centuries. Wars, invasions, and coercion date back at least to the first war with Russia in 1651. These interventions were largely part of the rivalries between Russia, the UK, and the Ottoman Empire.

I'm aware of their past history, and thank you for admitting that the UK was part of the problem.

The U.S. had no role prior to WWII, and really little even through Mossadegh’s tumultuous regime.

The United States took the leading role in a covert operation, called Operation Ajax, whereby CIA-funded agents were used to foment unrest inside Iran by way of the harassment of religious and political leaders and a media disinformation campaign.

367 posted on 08/07/2026 2:16:59 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Prayers for the US and President Trump)
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