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To: rxh4n1
I don’t have a problem with a married normal couple having fertility problems using IVF.

It sounds like like a nice, compassionate and noble thing to do until one considers the number of innocent babies that have to be created and then murdered so that their brother or sister can be the chosen one to have life. That to me is deeply disturbing and a show stopper in my mind.

Enabling people who shouldn’t have children at all is wrong.

I agree. But who is the one to decide who is fit and who is not? The lab that that is creating and selling these babies and killing the rest for a huge profit? The government? Suppose they made a law that singles out gay and trans couples can't use IVF? How long would that stand up in court?

22 posted on 07/13/2026 10:25:41 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: fidelis

Please forgive me if this dialog is unwelcome. I have seen very similar comments from you in older threads. I think we have even exchanged posts. The concept that children are killed through IVF is flawed.

A female baby is born with about 1 to 2 million immature eggs (oocytes) in her ovaries. This supply represents all the eggs she will ever have, as no new eggs are created after birth. This number steadily declines over time, reducing to about 300,000 to 500,000 by puberty.

Sperm production, or spermatogenesis, begins at puberty and continues throughout a man’s life. The process kicks off in the testicles, taking roughly 74 to 78 days for stem cells to mature into viable sperm, which are continuously generated at a rate of 1,000 to 1,500 per second.

Scientific estimates show that between 50% to 75% of all fertilized human eggs are naturally nonviable and fail to survive. This high attrition rate is largely a natural selection process, primarily caused by random genetic and chromosomal errors during early cell division.

The eggs that are fertilized by IVF have a much greater change of continuing to develop and become living children than the eggs fertilized naturally.

The concept that each fertilized zygote could have lived if IVF were not involved is flawed. That there may be a small number of fertilized eggs from IVF that might or might not have been able to complete the process is not germane. Many fertilized eggs are donated, many are given the chance but are not viable.

Those that are not implanted were given a chance to grow. As in all natural selection the strongest are the most successful and are implanted. Many of those still are not successful. Without IVF none of them would be born.


37 posted on 07/14/2026 4:28:01 AM PDT by JayGalt (A never ending battle for Truth, Justice & the American Way.)
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