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To: Pete Dovgan
Grok:

No, this claim is misleading and conflates different concepts. It mixes people outside the labor force (not unemployed) with welfare spending figures. Here's a breakdown based on current data:
1. “111 million Americans don't have jobs”
This number is roughly accurate for people not in the labor force, but most are not unemployed or “jobless” in the way the claim implies:

The US civilian noninstitutional population (age 16+) is around 260–270 million.
Labor force participation rate is currently ~61.5% (June 2026), meaning ~38–39% of that population is not working or actively seeking work.

This totals tens of millions not in the labor force — close to the 111 million figure in some broader counts — but includes:
Retirees (especially Baby Boomers).
Students.
Homemakers/caregivers.
Disabled individuals.
Discouraged workers or those who choose not to work.
Official unemployment (U-3 rate) is much lower — typically 3.5–5% in recent non-recession years (millions, not tens of millions). Broader measures (U-6) are higher but still far below 111 million.

The “111 million” trope has circulated for years (similar to older “90+ million” claims) and often exaggerates by treating retirees/students as equivalent to the unemployed.

2. Government spending “over a Trillion dollars on them”
Unemployment benefits/insurance: This is tens of billions annually in normal times (e.g., ~$30–45 billion recently). It spiked massively during COVID but is not $1+ trillion.

Broader means-tested welfare (SNAP/food stamps, Medicaid, EITC, housing assistance, TANF, SSI, etc.): Federal spending on these programs has exceeded $1 trillion in recent years (some estimates put it at ~$1.3 trillion in 2025 when including various supports).

However, not all of this goes to “people without jobs.” Many programs support low-income working families (e.g., EITC for workers, Medicaid for children/working poor).
Major portions go to elderly/disabled (SSI, parts of Medicaid) or other groups.

Total federal spending is ~$6–7 trillion annually, with mandatory programs (Social Security, Medicare, welfare) making up a large share — but it's not a direct “trillion on the jobless.”

Bottom Line
Many Americans (tens of millions) are not working, largely due to demographics (aging population), education, disability, and personal choice.
Government support for low-income and vulnerable populations is expensive (hundreds of billions to over $1 trillion depending on definitions), but the claim oversimplifies by implying 111 million able-bodied “unemployed” people are draining a trillion in welfare. Most non-workers aren't on unemployment, and spending serves broader purposes.
For precise latest figures, check BLS (labor stats) or CBO/USASpending.gov (budget). Economic conditions fluctuate, but the US has strong employment overall compared to historical norms.

49 posted on 07/06/2026 7:48:10 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

Let me ask a question to be specific. What number of people, in the United States, are over the age of 18, but less than 67, are there total, and how many have full time employement?

In the United States, there are

approximately 211.5 million people who are total residents over the age of 18 but less than 67. Within this demographic, an estimated 122.5 million individuals have full-time employment.

Government agencies do not compile standard economic datasets using the specific cutoff of 67. However, the data can be calculated precisely by aggregating official records from the U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS):1. Total Population Breakdown (Ages 19 to 66)According to the latest U.S. Census Bureau single-year age data, the total population counts are structured as follows: Ages 18 to 64: 202.77 million residents fall into this core adult bracket. Ages 65 and 66: Approximately 8.73 million residents are added to reach your upper parameter.

Basically, in working age, Labor force participation is 57.9
%. The highest overall civilian labor force participation rate in U.S. history is 67.3 percent, which was reached in January 2000. If we were there, it would be 142.3 million employed.

So we are about 20 million jobs short, or people willing to work, or both.


62 posted on 07/06/2026 8:27:19 AM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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