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To: MtnClimber

There are two issues here

1) auto pen

2) pardon without a conviction


3 posted on 06/21/2026 6:38:21 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple ((Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere))
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To: PeterPrinciple

Yup


11 posted on 06/21/2026 6:51:12 AM PDT by piytar (NEVER FORGET Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, Corey Comperatore, Iryna Zarutska, and Charlie Kirk!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“There are two issues here

1) auto pen

2) pardon without a conviction”

***********

3) No political will to seek accountability.


13 posted on 06/21/2026 6:53:28 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: PeterPrinciple
2) pardon without a conviction

Ford's pardon of Nixon (no conviction) is a pretty major precedent.
25 posted on 06/21/2026 7:18:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: PeterPrinciple

#2 isn’t an issue.

The most famous pardon of US history was Ford’s pardon of an uncovicted Nixon.


35 posted on 06/21/2026 7:58:23 AM PDT by Miami Rebel (RE)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I would expand the second to: - Pardon without a criminal scope. So it may be acceptable to issue a pardon preemptively for a criminal act that has not yet come to trial, but a blanket pardon for any act, anytime prior to the pardon strikes me as being beyond the pale.

The constitutional limits of the presidential pardon need to be defined through a Supreme Court challenge.


42 posted on 06/21/2026 8:36:04 AM PDT by omni-scientist
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To: PeterPrinciple

Pardon without conviction is not an issue at all...we’ve done it forever...I think Eisenhower pardoned a general before he was ever charged.


44 posted on 06/21/2026 8:55:42 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: PeterPrinciple
2) pardon without a conviction

Not sure a conviction is necessary for a pardon. Article II, ยง 2 of the Constitution gives the POTUS the "Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

A plain reading of this provision requires an offense -- a crime -- against the United States, but not necessarily a conviction or even a formal charge or indictment. In my opinion, however, the pardon at the very least should identify the underlying offense or the facts upon which the offense is based, i.e., all federal offenses that were committed or charged or could have been charged, for conduct in or about the United States Capital on January 6, 2021.

47 posted on 06/21/2026 9:12:20 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: PeterPrinciple
There are two issues here

1) auto pen
2) pardon without a conviction


Pardon without a conviction. Meh, all a pardon should really require is the crime. Otherwise the DA/etc can just hold charges to try and outlast a President. Although Presidents do overuse this power sometimes.

Autopen I fully agree. Hell, even the President shouldn't be using an Autopen for anything official. If it's not hand-signed, it's not an actual pardon. Whether he authorized the autopen or not.
64 posted on 06/22/2026 4:01:21 PM PDT by Svartalfiar (-)
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