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To: Da Ninja
Agreed. I took out a loan to pay for my energy project. The loan is a general purpose loan (a HELOC with no strings attached on what I use the money for). But every penny I took out was used strictly for the energy project: installing solar, adding to solar, converting the HVAC to variable speed heat pump, converting old gas water heater to hybrid water heater with a built in heat pump, installing EV charger circuits out in the garage, adding insulation, etc. So I’m in charge of the money and the project (it’s not a “solar loan” or a “Tesla solar plan” where someone else dictates the parameters). I also used the HELOC to help make payments on the EV (just now paid off), at least what the payment was on top of the $400/month we used to put into a car savings account for future car repairs and car replacement. The same for other costs like the extra $200 annual charge added to renewing my car tag my state charges EV owners for us to pay our share of road maintenance (seems fair, just part of my math).

End result: to date the project has saved my cash flow a net $7,500 more than it cost me. The monthly payment I make on the loan plus small power bill is less than what a normal power bill plus natural gas bill plus gasoline costs would be. I specifically engineered $850/month in power bill plus loan payment, what my energy costs plus car savings was in year 2019. That was the last Trump year before Covid distorted energy prices. Now that the EV is paid off my $850/month (minus power bill) is quickly paying off the loan, and saving my cash flow a lot. So the entire time, my budget has felt like it’s year 2019 without the last 7 years of inflation (at least the energy and transportation part of my budget). As the loan is paid down the minimum payment goes down, but I pay extra on the principal (again, my power bill plus loan payment always equals $850).

And when I say that it saves my cash flow, what that means is more money staying in our Roth IRA’s growing tax free. But I intentionally ignore that in my calculations as a way to add a little pessimism.

No one should try to replicate what I did unless he’s willing to do his homework like he’s a project engineer. I’m not talking about calculus. But I am talking about micro details.

32 posted on 06/20/2026 4:59:41 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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