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To: SeekAndFind

>shame mechanism collapsed, male productivity would follow

All that text and bookended by a monumental misreading.

Men don’t “MGTOW” because of lack of shame. Don’t worry on that account! They get shamed for (pick one or many as applicable) their maleness, for their skin tone, for their straightness, their Christianity, for having thoughts, for saying anything, and always also for not doing enough.

No, the men she’s writing about don’t follow into a good stable marriage because there’s no benefit. If it were a job description, it’d have no applicants. Work hard, get denigrated, passed over in your career, and those you serve will leave and be taken away from you. Woot!

Similarly the ladies were bullied into trading love, family, and stability for bitterness, emptiness, and futility - trying to be everything instead of something.

The people who designed this know all that. Their driving principles are envy, greed, wrath, lust, gluttony, sloth, and pride; exchanging a good thing for an empty thing.

So here’s the thing that IMO may sometimes escape even good Christians. When the Lord commands (either OT or NT commands) it’s not The Big Guy telling you to Give Up Fun because there are Cookies Later.

Even the head-scratchers in the OT are there because they are good for us. In the same way Dad said put a coat on when it’s cold, no ‘fun’ when you’re in the hallway but very nice when you’re out in the snow and better yet when you’re not sick for Christmas, these laws aren’t because “or else I’ll get you” but “because I know exactly what happens if you do or you don’t, and the results of ‘do’ are much better.”

Same thing here. “They need to be shamed into it” is useless.


54 posted on 05/23/2026 5:55:34 AM PDT by No.6
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you are correct about the problem, but miss the why in my opinion.

all of this come down to population control.

decades ago leftists worldwide were alarmed by world population growth. And thought something has to be done. So a multi-pronged agenda was implemented, and this was just one part of it.

this issue.
abortion
birth control
alimony
free sex
encouragement of gays
child labor laws

What do they all have in common? population control.

This all didn’t happen by accident; it was planned by the left to limit the world population. And it has worked so well that the left is now panicking about population decline, and that is what is driving the their embrace of immigration.


62 posted on 05/23/2026 6:15:24 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: No.6
Similarly the ladies were bullied lured into trading love, family, and stability for bitterness, emptiness, and futility - trying to be everything instead of something.

I agree with your comment - with the exception of that one word.

Regards,

155 posted on 05/23/2026 10:56:58 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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