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To: jerod

“and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”

this means that the kids of parents who are not American citizens are NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT automatically citizens of USA just because mama delivered them here

if parent was subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign nation (such as an illegal immigrant, someone from another country who is here on a visitor or student visa, etcetera), any children they have here are citizens of the parent’s home country of citizenship, NOT citizens of USA

this is really all very clear to any legal scholar or even intelligent student of history, what the words meant at the time (and today, for that matter...their wording has not changed)

the wording of the amendment is NOT superfluous, and we are NOT at liberty to just pick the phrases we like and skip the ones we find inconvenient

if A14 is to be changed, there IS a constitutional amendment process for that purpose

thank you

thank you

thank you


22 posted on 04/26/2026 3:55:09 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians aren't born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: faithhopecharity
if parent was subject to the jurisdiction of a foreign nation (such as an illegal immigrant, someone from another country who is here on a visitor or student visa, etcetera),

Even legal, permanent residents who are still a citizen of another country will owe allegiance to that other country, and still be subject to their jurisdiction. That's why American citizens oversees, even under permanent visas, will still owe taxes to the United States government.

So, if this is your interpretation of the 14th Amendment, you would be excluding from citizenship, the children of both legal, permanent immigrant, not just illegals and temporary visa holders.

That is why the SG focused on the meaning of "reside" instead.

29 posted on 04/26/2026 5:23:36 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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