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To: DiogenesLamp

Two pings in one day, you’re making me feel special my friend.

It’s alright. We as Americans used to know this well constructed phrase until the progressives indoctrinated us out of it.

If an American standing and living life in 1866 or 1870 knows what “subject to the jurisdiction therof” means but an American in 2026 does not, we have to question the role of progressive indoctrination.

How does indoctrination not enter the party? It must.

How did the 1870 American know it? He was taught it.

Were we taught it? Did our schools adequately teach us “subject to the jurisdiction therof”? They did not.


66 posted on 04/20/2026 2:36:13 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (The U.S. Constitution is not a suicide pact. Progressivism is a suicide pact.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Two pings in one day, you’re making me feel special my friend.

Three. I guess you haven't noticed that other one yet. :)

I'm just pointing out to you that a lot of people think the 14th amendment is well intentioned, but badly executed.

Which it is.

And as for the progressives having taught us badly, the legal people will tell you all that matters is black letter law. Whatever it says, *THAT* is how they are going to interpret it.

So if the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has changed over the years, they will simply use the understanding of the term that they currently have, blissfully unaware that it meant something different back then.

But even Senator Trumbull had to explain it back then, didn't he?

71 posted on 04/20/2026 2:51:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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