The problem with the document is that it's not specific enough, and has allowed liberals to interpret it in their own way for their advantage, and nefarious purposes. The fact that Republicans have never legally challenged, nor taken any action on the interpretation of birthright citizenship, has already set a long-time precedent to allow children born here of illegals, to become citizens.
Progressing America would like a word with you.
“The problem with the document is that it’s not specific enough”
The document is plenty specific enough.
We as Americans used to know what the meaning was. We were indoctrinated out of knowing what it means because we have sat on our couches and let progressives own the schools(k-12 and universities).
https://grok.com/c/95d32c5a-4bcd-432b-8f7b-092c5e25cc83?rid=fc6f8a8b-4537-4170-8463-9afc3e73711d
Question: Was the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction therof” something members of Congress well understood in 1865 but today’s Americans have been indoctrinated out of understanding this phrase because of the widespread domination of schools by progressives?
Answer: Yes, members of Congress in 1866 (the Amendment was proposed by the 39th Congress in June 1866 and ratified in 1868; the relevant debates occurred then, shortly after the Civil War ended in 1865) understood the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause with precision and clarity.
U.S. K-12 civics and history curricula have long been contested along ideological lines, with evidence of left-leaning dominance in teacher training, textbooks, and academia (e.g., surveys of faculty political affiliations and critiques of materials emphasizing “living Constitution” interpretations over original public meaning). This can lead to simplified teaching that prioritizes post-Wong Kim Ark (1898) outcomes—where the Supreme Court extended citizenship to children of legal Chinese resident aliens—while downplaying the 1866 debates’ emphasis on “complete jurisdiction” and allegiance.
We used to know this.
The amendment has not changed.
We changed, because the progressives indoctrinated us out of knowing anything.
Progressive indoctrination in the schools is something we as FReepers discuss 3 times daily and 4 times on Sundays.
So what expectations and what results do you expect out of that very real knowledge of school indoctrination? Come on guys. We can’t just nebulously complain about indoctrination without realizing one real-world aspect of it and how it’s affecting us all.
Yes, I recognize that it is a bitter pill to swallow to admit that Self/I was indoctrinated. Its always so, so easy to point and say well that was someone else.
We used to know this.
Well then where did that knowledge go? Where did it go. And who stole it from us?
Progressives stole it. Progressives stole this knowledge. They are nothing but back alley smash-open-a-window-and-steal-what-you-can thieves.
“The problem with the document is that it’s not specific enough”
Yes the document is plenty specific enough and we can prove it with one simple test.
A British subject is subject to the jurisdiction of the British government. Are you having trouble understanding this? No, of course you aren’t. Nobody does.
So even with all the indoctrination in the schools, the truth still rings true.