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To: HockeyPop

Lord knows saying this will be like catnip to the anti-Catholics here...

But this has been Vatican doctrine for a long time.

Yes, it is sometimes hard reconcile my Catholicism with elements of my Conservatism *and* my American patriotism.

Here is Pope John Paul II from 22 years ago - just before the Iraq War: https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/2003/january/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20030113_diplomatic-corps.html

I am not advocating forced conversions or inquisitions on anyone. I am just saying that this is not new or different. Read the link above. It’s no different.


123 posted on 04/13/2026 6:54:30 AM PDT by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: Capn Hayek

Correct. It is nothing new. The Church of Rome has historically been political as have the other two monotheistic faiths. This Pope’s namesake, Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne (800 AD). Popes anointed emperors and kings to establish mutual legitimation. In return they protected the Church.


129 posted on 04/13/2026 7:03:00 AM PDT by HockeyPop
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To: Capn Hayek

Quote-Here is Pope John Paul II from 22 years ago - just before the Iraq War:__

Ok. However, Pope JP2 supported Reagan and Thatcher in the process of overcoming the Soviet Union.


131 posted on 04/13/2026 7:07:33 AM PDT by birg
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To: Capn Hayek
---- "...Vatican doctrine for a long time...

"Fuori i Barbari!"

Raphael Raffaello portrait of Pope Julius II [ Giuliano della Rovere ]elected in 1503. The famed "Warrior-Pope." Not the only....

I am in no way, anti-Catholic, and only observe that history reveals more complexity than any single snapshot, even the above.

The Traditional Catholic View of Just War Theory and Its Application Today Fatima Center,23 June 2025

133 posted on 04/13/2026 7:10:07 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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