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To: Menes
Thanks for the inclusion of Hölderlin into the thread.

"The state has always been made a hell by man's wanting to make it his heaven. The state is nothing but the coarse husk around the seed of life, the wall around the human fruits and flowers."

You write, "...leftists and Muslims always seem to be buddy-buddy with each other... because both are equally bent on destroying Western civilization, replacing it with a utopian 'paradise'?"

That's the rhetoric, to be sure. But behind that "wall" as above is the sheer demand to "submit."

30 posted on 03/13/2026 7:41:10 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

You are definitely right 🙂

Friendly words hiding nefarious intentions once more…

P.S.: it is I who is thankful to you for still remembering this excellent romantic poet, whose work is, alas, fading more and more into obscurity.


32 posted on 03/13/2026 7:48:30 AM PDT by Menes (May Charlie Kirk‘s memory be a blessing. Amen.)
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