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""Literally untrue. The Preamble to the Constitution outright indicates as much: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Oh, FFS. I'm always amazed at how "certain people" always rush to quote the US Constitution.... while most of the time they conveniently ignore it. America First does not equate to an isolationist Libertarian wet dream, despite how much you'd probably wish it so.

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""How exactly have our interventions in the Middle East secured domestic tranquility? How do they secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our descendants?""

By reigning in rogue terrorist nations that would kill us if they could and that have been trying to kill us for decades. (obligatory duh here)

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""It's also ironic that you would quote Proverbs 31 in support of your position, given that it is from the words of the King of Israel: were those words in reference to those who were not under the king's dominion (the Iranians, in this metaphor)? Or were they in regard to the people actually under his jurisdiction (which, in this case, would be Americans)?""

I don't know what the hell you're talking about here. I haven't posted any Proverbs 31 quote. You're obviously confused (in more ways than one).

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""For all your talk about how times have changed since the era of Washington, it's worth bearing in mind that they would look aghast in horror upon a nation that extended the voting franchise to people who don't own property; that allowed direct popular election of Senators (which completely undermines the federalistic intent of the government they established); that allowed the institution of an income tax; and so on and so forth.""

That goes without saying or having to say (keen sense of the effing obvious you're displaying there).... but it has nothing to do with the current argument.

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""Bottom line: America's own house needs to be put to order. To pretend that foreign interventions will make our own domestic disorder go away is a fool's errand, as the last 25 years has made more than apparent.""

Now I'm confused. Who and where, exactly, did I say that "foreign interventions will make our own domestic disorder go away"? They are two different issues, obviously.

And again... there's that Libertarianish, non-interventionist wet dream of never getting involved in conflict with any other nation. It's stupid, it's naive and it's totally unrealistic .... plus being a historically absurd concept re: this nation.