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The Venezuela State Industry of Election Fraud Was ONE Piece to Destroy the Republic of the United States of America
The Stephen Gardner Show ^ | 14 December 2025 | Emerald Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DstXrM8_MZM

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Okay, I want to continue on this story of Venezuela, why President Trump has our largest aircraft carrier. Now the Navy’s down there, we’re blowing up ships. I know some of it has to do with taking back control of the Western Hemisphere.

I know some of it has to do with blocking oil to Iran and China. I also believe that some of it has to do with Venezuela rigging elections in 70 countries. To help me go through this, I have Emerald Robinson.

Emerald, thank you for joining me. It’s so good to see you again, Stephen. Thanks for having me.

Oh, thank you so much for coming on. So I started picking up on this story in August with billionaire Patrick Byrne, who had spent tens of millions of dollars tracking down what went wrong with the 2020 election. When everyone else kind of just moved on and Biden moved into the White House, this guy kept digging.

And then he ends up teaming up with a former CIA and a New York Times bestseller, and they start digging in. And then Elon Musk starts digging into numbers with Doge. And then suddenly this story rears its head again.

And you’ve been doing incredible journalism on this story with Elon Musk, the night of the election. So walk my audience through what you believe or what you’ve been learning as you research Venezuela rigging our elections. Well, thanks for having me, Stephen.

Look, this actually goes back to November 2020. This is when this story was put on my radar. I was standing there on the North Lawn and the numbers were not adding up as we got later into the night, right into the presidential election cycle in 2020.

And I was just looking at them. I’m just a journalist, so I’m not like a numbers person per se, but it didn’t add up to me. And I start reaching out to people that I know understand this.

And I start reaching out to the precinct chairs in Georgia, Arizona. I started talking to my contacts in the national security state, which I had many, the National Security Council, the Department of Homeland Security. I start reaching out to campaign people and nothing, everyone was seeing what I was seeing and saying it doesn’t add up.

The initial person who put this story, and I can say this because he’s unfortunately no longer with us, if the mayor could be a lot better, if Rich Higgins were still alive, he had been in the initial Trump National Security Council. He was one of the good guys. He had tried to alert the president early on to the saboteurs that were in his first term.

Rich Higgins briefed me shortly after the November election in 2020 on the Venezuela threat that under Hugo Chavez, they had developed a software called ForSmartmatic that had been used to steal the 2004 referendum for Hugo Chavez. And then they had then went global with it. They had brought it into the US by 2006.

It had been used in US elections. I found out to what extent it was beneficial to Barack Obama in the primary, in his first primary for president. They tell me they didn’t sway the general election, that they had just created an organic push for Obama in the primary, the Democrat primary, where he was relatively unknown from an inorganic manipulation of early primaries.

This is not new to me. I had been looking at this for years. As far as Patrick Byrne and this former CIA station chief named Gary Bernson, and then a former Venezuelan national who had to flee the country who worked with Gary Bernson, the three of them had already been looking into this even prior to the 2020 election because it tied into money laundering, drug, and human trafficking.

So it was put on...Bernson has a partner who he works with who was the Venezuelan national, and they’ve been working private money laundering, drug trafficking cases. They assisted the US government in many investigations. This was put on their radar in 2012 from a former Venezuelan oligarch who had lost everything, had to flee the country.

And he said, look, it’s not just about the money laundering and the drug trafficking and human trafficking. It’s that they’re stealing the elections to do this, and they’re doing it in multiple countries. So they already had some intelligence on this.

And in fact, our own intelligence community knew this headed into 2020. There is classified reports on Smartmatic sitting in our intelligence community that predate the 2020 election because another whistleblower, not even attached to this group that I call the three musketeers, Byrne, Bernson, and we’ll call Zorro, right? That’s what Patrick calls him, that had been discussed in relation to the 2020 election in emails. And the whistleblower told me, look, you don’t have to declassify the Smartmatic reports.

They’re probably not going to do that. But you could declassify the email communications exchanges where the members of the IC community are pushing back on including this and reckless director when he was acting director of national intelligence in 2020 and 2021. And he had to produce a report about foreign interference in the election, right? You could declassify.

Ratcliffe, who’s now the CIA director, could declassify these emails. So could Tulsi Gabbard that talks about what we knew then. So this isn’t some new revelation now.

There are more receipts now after the three musketeers went out and with Patrick Byrne’s funding, they flipped a dozen whistleblowers that had worked for the Venezuelan government and Smartmatic to explain exactly how the source code works and how they flip it. They learned more about Serbia and the Belgrade-Serbia operation where our votes were being sent to and then the data manipulated there and then reported back, right, to the United States. They got more receipts and they had firsthand witnesses.

But I look back at the briefing that I got and we knew a lot. And in fact, they had tried to get to President Trump then but were blocked by the people around him. So we didn’t even really have to go through the four years of Biden because we knew that there had been a problem then.

So let’s fast forward though. Patrick Byrne spent his money conducting this investigation since 2020, also protecting these dozen whistleblowers and some of their family members. He had 30 people under his care and that involved providing housing and food for them, moving them from South America to Switzerland, then to the Bahamas and finally ultimately into the United States.

But that also meant they had to have serious security. So he hired former green berets. He’s dropping hundreds of thousands of dollars a month in keeping these whistleblowers alive so that they can tell the incoming Trump administration, the US government, what Venezuela has done.

Now, it’s not just Venezuela, right? So they, Chavez, developed the software. They realized it’s wildly successful. For the 2004 referendum, they start bringing it to the United States.

Obviously, our bad CIA, China, Russia, Iran, they’re all in on it. They understand it. You mentioned Elon Musk and the Doge findings.

He knew to go look in Doge because of these investigators for US taxpayer money, putting this software in Bulgaria, in the Philippines, about which now we have an official federal case against Smartmatic for bribery in the Philippines, in Ukraine, in multiple countries. These whistleblowers that Byrne and Bernsen recruited told General Michael Flynn in Switzerland when he went to see them prior to the 2024 election in the summer, July, that they had been doing this for 20 years and flipped results in 72 countries, manipulated results in 72 countries. So that’s where we sat prior to the 2024 election.

Now, in October 2024, Zorro was able to brief Susie Wiles and then Elon Musk, and then a wider team at Mar-a-Lago, thanks to two key figures, one being Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, who has now basically went and confirmed this on Benny Johnson’s show publicly, and a former Senator David Perdue, who has now, remember, he lost his Senate runoff in 2021, January 2021, right after the 2020 election, and he realized something wasn’t right there, even though he was skeptical about the 2020 presidential results. Once he, it was stolen from him. His Senate seat was stolen from him in 2021.

People don’t know. David Perdue has been working on this since, and we’ve had communication. He got the meeting for Zorro to present the evidence that the three Musketeers had found.

Susie Wiles, after the briefing, found it credible enough to say she could have shut it down right there. I’ll give Susie credit, whereas I’m often accused of being hard on her, even by Susie herself. She knows what I’m talking about.

She said this needs to go to Elon, who is a technical person, who is a tech guy, to see what he thinks about it. So Zorro goes and briefs Elon. Elon puts it into AI.

He doesn’t listen to the whole briefing. The whole briefing can go as much as eight hours, if you’re asking questions. One hour for the short version.

Elon puts it into his AI program, produces a one sheet, looks at the summary, and says, you know, expletive, expletive, this is real, gets on the phone, and Susie says, we’ve got a problem here. This is, we’re effed. He flies to Pennsylvania the next day, October 17, 2024, where he does this two-hour town hall, where he talks specifically about Dominion voting systems and how our elections are rigged.

Remember that? It shocked a lot of people. That’s because he’d just gotten this briefing the day before. And they proceeded to talk about what they were going to, you know, how, they didn’t know how you could combat it.

They knew that they could do it, but they didn’t know how you shut it down. And that’s where I’m told Senator Mullen came to the rescue again. That’s where it gets a little bit murky.

There’s a team of DOD contractors who, you know, based on existing executive orders and law, when there’s a cybersecurity threat to the U.S., has the authority to combat it. They shut down the power, you know, all connectivity to the Belgrade, Serbia office for three days, including the day before the election, and the flip doesn’t happen. And Trump is able to win the 2024 presidential election.

So that’s what happened in 2024. Since then, the whistleblowers have been moved into the U.S., and there is some ongoing investigations. But what has really struck me, Stephen, and like I said, I’ve been covering this now for five plus years, including starting on the day of the 2020 election, we knew a lot then.

There’s more receipts now. And there was a lot of open source intelligence that told you something, you could kind of figure out what happened. The problem is, what are we going to do about it now? Trump’s obviously taken action.

He’s got this military buildup outside of Venezuela. I don’t think a lot of people understand that it’s about more than Trinidad and Tobago, even, or the drug trafficking, that it is this election interference that has changed the global order. And also, there’s the counterintelligence part of this.

One thing that a Venezuelan, a former high level general, okay, he was the head of military intelligence. His name was Hugo Carvajal. He’s in our custody for drug trafficking.

He was extradited here in 2023. He defected from Venezuela in 2017. He was hiding out in Spain.

We got him from Spain, right? He just published in the Dallas Express in the last few days, an affidavit confession of everything he did while he worked for Chavez and Maduro. And one of the most concerning parts is he says he has names of many, many, many U.S. diplomats and CIA officials who they bribed and essentially are traitors to the U.S. They are spies for Cuba, Venezuela, which means also China, Iran, and Russia, because that’s the nexus in our Western hemisphere. When you’re talking about Trump coming back to Western hemisphere and the Monroe Doctrine, it was intentional that we’ve been ignoring our hemisphere because John Brennan gave the directive almost 20 years ago now for CIA station chiefs to ignore intelligence coming from Cuba and Venezuela specifically.

And I know some of the names that Carvajal has that he’s willing to give over to the U.S. government. I think there’s about a hundred. Some of the names are shocking.

Now, the average person might not know them, but me having been a political journalist now for a decade, it’s very high level. It’s very influential people. And it’s not just Democrats.

Okay. Let me ask you about the Carvajal because this is the newest information that I’ve read that’s public, right? I mean, he’s in the United States. This is a huge risk for him, former very high up in the military.

And he’s coming out with this letter to President Trump saying, we’ve been rigging your elections. You guys have been infiltrated. And then last week, I read that Cuba contacted the White House or whatever the chain of command is saying, hey, what’s the plan for taking over Venezuela? So like a lot of people know something’s about to go down.

We took over Maduro’s airplane, then we put a $25 million bounty on him, then a $50 million bounty. Now we’ve got this massive buildup in the Caribbean. Just last night, or excuse me, yesterday morning, six in the morning, special forces go in on helicopters, take over this tanker.

So a lot is going on, but even most members of Congress are like, why are we doing anything against Venezuela? They’re very confused. It feels like President Trump’s keeping a lot close to the vest. Where do you sit on all that? As far as the members of Congress, I would say a lot of them knew what was going on and did nothing the whole time.

The whole House Freedom Congress was briefed on this threat. Jim Jordan was briefed on this threat and said, well, there’s really nothing I can do about it until the presidential election comes along. There’s nothing I can do about it.

And that’s what they all say. I don’t know if Senator Rand Paul was ever briefed. Senator Ron Johnson’s staff was briefed back, it would have been early 2023.

They did nothing about it. There was no follow-up calls. And it’s so funny to watch Senator Ron Johnson now go out on Benny Johnson’s show and allude to the appearances of Gary Bernson.
When Gary went and briefed staff that was working under Johnson back in early 2023 and said, hey, they stole the 2020 election. They’re going to do it again. And they were treated like they were crazy people.

Maybe they didn’t tell Johnson. I don’t know. As far as them not understanding what’s going on, I think many of them understand more than they say.

But I do think, and this is what I was going to have my correspondent at Lyndale TV ask today is why is the Trump administration not laying the case out more to the American people? Why not fill them in on why it’s about more than drug trafficking and money laundering, or even sending Trende Aragua to destabilize, which is pretty egregious, right? That was a real invasion. It was a coordinated invasion. That alone probably warrants some action.

But why not tell? I asked Patrick Byrne that on my show today. And he said, well, President Trump can’t give all the cards away yet. And a lot of people would not believe him still.

But I think that based on the evidence that I’ve seen, and again, so much of it is open source intelligence. I think there’s a version of this briefing that you could essentially put out to the American people, and certainly to the journalists who will go with it that aren’t the Democrats. You know, but even the Democrats have said this in the past.

I think that you could put out some form of this briefing or have Tulsi address, you know, with President Trump in the cabinet room, more of this and people could understand it. I don’t really understand not revealing more, at least indigestible bits to the American people, because this really has been a major threat to our constitutional republic. I do think though, too, there are a lot of those people in Congress who are probably illegitimately installed as well.

I’ve noticed a lot of what Mike Lindell used the word deviations. There’s a lot of deviations, particularly in Republican primaries. We’re not talking about the generals, right? We’re talking about the primaries in states that have these machines, like Georgia, like New Mexico.

There was a great audit of a New Mexico county, and you know what, Steven? The Democrat primary was fine. The numbers matched up. It was the Republican primary where you have some major inconsistencies with the machine counts and then the hand count that they later did.

I think that could be one reason you don’t hear a lot of Republicans talking about it or asking the questions. We have a major problem with corruption in our country. If Carvajal gave those names and they went and investigated, it could maybe be a little bit destabilizing because it’s high level people.

I think that’s what Trump is probably weighing. I know for a fact that there are some people still in Trump’s orbit who’s telling him not to touch this, that it’s way too destabilizing. I think at this point, we have to take the risk because we’re already so infiltrated.

It’s not like you can just slowly weed it out. We have a major counterintelligence problem in our country. I think that’s where you’ll see more information coming out, particularly if Carvajal does give over that list.

What is wild though, Steven, is that Carvajal had to put this out in the Dallas Express because he is worried about his life. He made this deal with the government. Usually the government comes to collect immediately.

His attorneys are very perplexed. They don’t understand why the government is not debriefing him. He’s worried that the U.S. government is not going to protect his life.

He’s a number one target for the cartel. I mean, just sticking with money, Elon Musk said on the Joe Rogan show, some of the biggest people pushing back against Doge were establishment Republicans. He said that they literally made an agreement that we’re going to cut off a lot of the fraud, but not all of it, and we’re just going to have to let some people die, and then it will revert back.

I don’t know. It’s so bizarre to me that you would make these intelligence decisions based on rot and corruption within the government, and yet that’s what the evidence is showing, is that there’s a lot of rot, and there’s a lot of fraud, and a lot of people just want to turn their heads away from it, whether it’s money, or elections, or NGOs, or whatever. But I mean, the other thing that they may not want to do is maybe they don’t want the rest of the world to know to the extent that taxpayer money was used to rig elections in 70 countries.

I think so. I think that’s a big part of it. I can’t tell you, after Elon and Doge revealed so much, and just think, he still kind of just did the tip of the iceberg.

He didn’t get the time. Imagine if Doge was still going, Stephen. I mean, he would still be digging up stuff.

To this day, we’d be a year in, and he would even probably be halfway through it. That’s how bad it is. So they couldn’t let him keep going.

I heard from many different government officials in other countries, and they were applauding Elon. They said, we’ve been trying to get attention to this for years, how much U.S. money is coming through USAID to destabilize our countries and create color revolutions in our countries. These officials were... The conversations I had, I wish I could have shared them with the American public, because this is off the record, but they were just so relieved that finally there was someone promoting transparency about their countries.

When you think about what the whistleblowers told General Flynn, and I asked them myself too, because I’ve had conversations with them myself, about 72 countries. I mean, you reveal that information in which countries, and there’s going to be some fallout. So when you have people in the government telling President Trump, you can’t touch, it’s going to be very destabilizing, not just for the country, but globally.

I think that’s a lot of what is going on. We’ve been messing around so much. I think there’s a lot of people in the Republican Party that were probably former military intelligence who know what we’ve done in other countries.

When they were watching and seeing 2020, they immediately knew what was going on because we’ve done in other countries, but that’s why they won’t talk about it. We turned what we’ve been doing inward, and we’ve been doing it here too for a while, for many years. But there’s a lot of people who know what’s going on, and they’re not willing to talk about it because we’re guilty of doing it.

There were a lot of people who took part in it, but they were thinking they were doing it for the right reasons. We’re promoting democracy. We’re fixing this election, and we’re putting our thumb on the scale for this country.

Ultimately, it’s going to be better for the people of the country. So they thought they were doing it for the right reasons, but now in hindsight, you look and- Let me ask you this. When Trump was first coming in, he said, hey, we’ve got all this information that we’re going to release to the American public, and then his lawyers shut it down.

Then he went quiet for a while, and then in the last couple months, he’s been talking about election rigging again. Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, we’re going every gun we’ve got on Venezuela. I just think most people don’t understand.

The American people don’t understand. I’ve been trying to cover this, and people are like, why are we spending $100 million a day putting pressure on Venezuela? It can’t all be about oil, or else they would just go take the oil, right? Yeah, because we could. Yeah.

So part of me wonders, okay, if Tulsi Gabbard has been briefed, Susie Weill, President Trump, I’m assuming other big names- Radcliffe knows all about it, but he’s part of covering it up, it seems like. Yeah. I’m just wondering, though, if they just similar with the Elon fraud go, okay, we’re not going to talk about that anymore, but there’s no more cheating going forward, but we are going to reveal what happened in the 2020 election.

There’s actually a major push in the White House and, of course, in the intelligence community, because we still have a lot of the people who were employed in the 2020 who knew what was going on, and then made sure that Radcliffe didn’t reveal the foreign interference in 2021. They’re still employed, and Radcliffe is still listening to them, which is insane. That’s what one whistleblower called me about this week.

He’s like, look, I like Radcliffe. He went to bat for me when I wrote the dissent in 2020, 2021, but he’s like, he’s still listening to these people about who to hire, and he’s not firing them. They’re also saying, now, just don’t talk about 2020.

They’re saying that to Tulsi Gabbard. She’s getting pushback. There’s some people still in the Trump White House who’s saying, let’s move on.

Yeah, we can deal with the cheating, but let’s not talk, but you can’t do that without talking about 2020. People have to understand. I think there is a concern about elections prior.

You’re opening Pandora’s box, but at this point, if we’re going to regain our constitutional republic and actually get to real voting, you’re going to have to do that. Like I said, when I asked the whistleblowers about Obama, I said, he did come out of nowhere, and a lot of people were confused by that. Did y’all rig the election for him? The lead whistleblower who had worked for the Venezuelan government said he had been sent to the United States to help with that.

He’d been sent to Illinois. He said, we just had to rig the first few primaries to create some grassroots effort for him, because nobody knew him. He said, what I was told by the government in Venezuela was like, oh, we need this black guy to win in America.

That’s literally what they told him. We need this black guy to win in America. It’s good for us.

He’s our guy. He said, all we had to do was just fix a few of the initial primaries to make him more popular than Hillary. Then he said it just took off from there.

They didn’t have to do too much after that. This was also early on. Our own government has put this software into other countries since, dozens of other countries across the globe.

Then we saw what happened in 2020. Now, how many have they rigged here in the US? How many primaries? Like I said, for Obama, it was the primary that was key. I think that’s what is going on a lot for Republicans as well, based on some of the data that I’ve seen over the years in different states.

You have to talk about the prior elections and what happened in order to stop it in 2026. Now there’s this push to keep the machines. I’ve even seen some of my own reporting, Stephen, taken.

That thread I’ve done and put out there, I’ve seen it being referenced as in, good reporting. It’s like, oh, this happened and I verified this is all true. It’s great reporting.

But then there’s now this narrative spinning out of it by some, not all, to say, oh, what we need to do is take control. Dominion goes away. It’s not that machines are bad, that electronic voting is bad.

It’s that we’ve got to make sure they’re not hooked up to the internet for remote access, which is what my story tells the story of from Serbia and how they stopped it. They’re saying, we can keep the machines as long as they’re not