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To: Jim Noble

True. Poor Ukraine (which means “at the frontier/borderlands”) was never its very own country until 1991 for a reason.

It’s especially sad because, as a neutral country (as neutrality was wisely enshrined in its original constitution), it could have prospered serving a buffer zone and trade bridge between East and West. This would have been a wise state of affairs for Western Europe and Russia, too. Win/win on both the economic and security fronts.

But no, the neocons/neolibs in Washington couldn’t have that! So here we are.

Yes, as you wrote in an earlier post, “EU and NATO are absolutely the proximate cause of the Ukraine war”.

I usually stay off the Ukraine threads, as they quickly devolve into mindless slugfests, but some intelligent comments on this one.


34 posted on 12/21/2025 11:30:49 AM PST by CatHerd (Whoever said "all's fair in love and war" probably never participated in either.)
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To: CatHerd; Jim Noble

Austria successfully stayed neutral throughout the entire Cold War. That was a model appropriate for the independent Ukraine.

But there was, and is, a bipartisan faction in America’s political elite that openly wants to do to Russia what was done to Yugoslavia. Break it up into multiple little nations. A proxy war ought to be a great way to achieve this, and Ukraine is our obedient puppet.


38 posted on 12/21/2025 3:21:01 PM PST by Pelham (President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback 1953-54)
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