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To: daniel1212

“Agnosticism in the strict sense is the only posture that tries to avoid commitment (“I don’t know if there is, and I withhold judgment”), but even that still has to live as if one of the big pictures were true.”

That’s basically my stance... I don’t know for sure and I’m fine with that. I’m also open to revisit that as new information/evidence comes out.

Though I definitely hold out for the possibility, even probability, that something much bigger than us exists that may be beyond our understanding and even dimensions.

We could be to a god what an amoeba is to us. The amoeba has no clue that we exist, nor of our nature, yet we exist, and have all sort of powers over it.

To me that is the most logical position to take given the current evidence.


10 posted on 12/07/2025 11:01:06 AM PST by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: aquila48

I get where you’re coming from. But given what’s at stake, agnosticism isn’t a neutral position. If the question touches on something as serious as life, death, or eternity, then it’s worth digging hard into the possibilities now—not later.

If there is a God, and if there is a path to Him, then the cost of not looking is higher than the cost of being wrong. An informed decision requires real investigation, not just waiting for more data to show up.


13 posted on 12/07/2025 11:22:53 AM PST by RoosterRedux (“Critical thinking is hard; that’s why most people just jump to conclusions.”—Jung (paraphrased))
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To: aquila48
Though I definitely hold out for the possibility, even probability, that something much bigger than us exists that may be beyond our understanding and even dimensions. We could be to a god what an amoeba is to us. The amoeba has no clue that we exist, nor of our nature, yet we exist, and have all sort of powers over it. To me that is the most logical position to take given the current evidence.

No, that is not most logical, since you then would have a exceedingly vast, systematically ordered universe, exquisitely finely tuned for life with profound intricate, elaborate complexity (more so as we discover more) and extensive diversity, all of which testify to a Creator - along with humans being both supreme in intelligence and overall ability, yet vulnerable, to whom are given the ability to make moral choices and moral laws, which are beneficial when followed but negatively consequential effects when broken, and which thus speak of need for a power greater then himself - yet such would have no real meaningful purpose under your amoeba scenario.

Meaning the creator of the amoeba says, "I will make my power and wisdom manifest but not enable the amoeba to recognize this and seek the ultimate Source of it. If I provide the amoeba with abilities that can both help him and hurt him, with laws and a conscience that have consequential effects, but not allow hm to express gratitude to a creator nor seek His approval nor recourse to mercy from the same.

No, God did not so love morally senseless amoebas that He sent His Son so that those who choose the Light over Darkness may have eternal life.

50 posted on 12/07/2025 1:35:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: aquila48

“We could be to a god what an amoeba is to us. The amoeba has no clue that we exist, nor of our nature, yet we exist, and have all sort of powers over it.”

And yet..... that microscopic amoeba can literally kill an individual once it invades the body. Go figure.


204 posted on 01/08/2026 9:38:25 PM PST by LastDayz (A Blunt and Brazen Texan. I Will Not Be Assimilated.)
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