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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Political brouhaha aside, there are some legit lifestyle reasons why people prefer being overseas. And some of it cultural.

For one: not everyone loves driving. US is extremely car-centric.

Food quality: way less processed breads, grains, dairy, meats..

Social culture and nightlife. Activities especially those surrounding high art draw some to Europe.

Extended family and community centrism vs. “enclosed private property” centrism, which foreigners often find extremely isolating and eerie when they visit. Middle Easterners I’ve met in particular note this.

Healthcare: some women are afraid to give birth at American hospitals, notorious for being really unfriendly to mothers. UK apparently is not that much better, but some other places like Korea, Germany, or UAE do not whisk women out 24 hours after C-Section...you are often monitored and cared for for much longer...Given a midwife, prenatal care training, and even at home check-in a few weeks afterward completely paid for by the state.

In Spain, working women get paid leave during menstrual cycle. No joke.

So yeah...stuff like that!


6 posted on 11/13/2025 3:27:40 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

In Spain, working women get paid leave during menstrual cycle


I’m sure that’s a relief to anyone that reports to them.


12 posted on 11/13/2025 3:34:58 PM PST by dfwgator ("I am Charlie Kirk!")
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Political brouhaha aside, there are some legit lifestyle reasons why people prefer being overseas.

Can't argue with that, but Canada isn't one of the destinations unless you're a flaming liberal who supports socialism.

27 posted on 11/13/2025 3:49:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Political brouhaha aside, there are some legit lifestyle reasons why people prefer being overseas. And some of it cultural.

For one: not everyone loves driving. US is extremely car-centric.

In my reply, I will stress that there is a theme of "trade-offs" with each point you make.

In the US, not everyone may love driving, but many of us enjoy the freedom that comes with the ability to drive somewhere, whether that be across town, or a road trip across the country. That sort of freedom is an intrinsic American value.

Food quality: way less processed breads, grains, dairy, meats..

There are more expensive choices out there, but they do exist. The US has many people to feed, and sadly, most food companies process for yield and efficiency.

Social culture and nightlife. Activities especially those surrounding high art draw some to Europe.

Not sure what your definition of "high art" is, but the US has world-renowned museums, orchestras, ballet troops, and Broadway-styled shows. We also have things like car racing, concerts and other cultural activities such as Mardi Gras. I don't see that many Americans longing for a Venetian opera that they would pick up and move to Italy, but I concede that some may do that.

Extended family and community centrism vs. “enclosed private property” centrism, which foreigners often find extremely isolating and eerie when they visit. Middle Easterners I’ve met in particular note this.

I'm not even sure what this means, but if "Middle Easterners" want to move away because of this, more power to them.

Healthcare: some women are afraid to give birth at American hospitals, notorious for being really unfriendly to mothers. UK apparently is not that much better, but some other places like Korea, Germany, or UAE do not whisk women out 24 hours after C-Section...you are often monitored and cared for for much longer...Given a midwife, prenatal care training, and even at home check-in a few weeks afterward completely paid for by the state.

Let me correct you--"completely paid for by other taxpayers." Nationalized healthcare systems in many countries like the UK, Canada and China are being heavily strained, and there are large backlogs just to see a doctor or specialist. Nationalized healthcare is not the utopia that many people think it is.

In Spain, working women get paid leave during menstrual cycle. No joke.

Sure, this policy has recently been enacted and allows women to take 3 days off per month or up to 5 days with a doctor's note. Many feel that this creates a stigma among women in the workplace. I suppose they can work around that to normalize this leave more, but at the end of the day, it consumes resources paid for with taxpayers' money. Money that won't be available to fund other healthcare needs, surgeries, diagnostic equipment, and so on. Is this policy important enough to want to move to a different country?

So yeah...stuff like that!

You sound like you don't like it here in the US. You're always free to leave but remember the saying, "The grass is NOT ALWAYS greener on the other side of the fence."

83 posted on 11/14/2025 7:57:45 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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