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1 posted on 11/11/2025 9:43:43 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

I remember reading the poem when I was in grammar school. Even as a ten year old child, it was chillingly horrifying.

As I grew up and got to know members of my extended family who had fought in wars I realized that i would never comprehend that kind of fear—nor understand how they dealt with it every day…for a couple of years.

They deserve every honor people can afford them.


2 posted on 11/11/2025 9:53:39 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Retain Mike

Memphis Belle Is a Great Movie


3 posted on 11/11/2025 9:55:57 AM PST by Big Red Badger (ALL Things Will be Revealed !)
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To: Retain Mike

During WWII, the 8th Air Force suffered high casualties, with over 47,000 total casualties, including more than 26,000 dead. This represented about half of the US Army Air Forces’ total casualties. An additional 28,000 airmen were taken as prisoners of war. The casualty rate for those who flew combat missions was extremely high, with some estimates suggesting that two-thirds of all Eighth Air Force men could expect to die, be wounded, or be captured.


4 posted on 11/11/2025 10:03:09 AM PST by DownInFlames (P)
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To: Retain Mike
A thought for what we used to call Armistice Day:

For centuries the Ottoman Empire had white slaves it had captured from Europe. The last slaves weren't free until it dissolved shortly after WW1. England and the U.S. freed not just black slaves, but white slaves too.

5 posted on 11/11/2025 10:06:45 AM PST by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Retain Mike

ball turret gunner is right up there with chained-to-the-floor galley rower slave


7 posted on 11/11/2025 10:28:07 AM PST by MarlonRando
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To: Retain Mike

A few mistakes in this. A B-17 turret did not retract, you could exit it up into the aircraft without retracting, because it simply did not retract. And their knees were not up beside their ears. It was cramped but basically they were in a seated position with their feet on pedals. It’s roughly analogous to being in a car seat with the seat back pushed pretty far forward, and the whole affair laying on its back.
And someone always finds an excuse to publish that disrespectful gross out shock poem.


8 posted on 11/11/2025 10:34:44 AM PST by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: Retain Mike

A little bit of trivia, the ball turret was the safest position on a B-17 as far as survival records show. Everything in the nose was the most dangerous, including the pilots and top turret. Waist gunners were a very dangerous position. Followed by tailgunner. Radio man and ball turret gunners were the safest.

Personally I think the ball turret would be the most frightening, hanging there at the mercy of a metal pole that you hoped doesn’t take a round, or break somehow. But it was the most survivable.


9 posted on 11/11/2025 10:40:23 AM PST by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: Retain Mike

The Twilight Zone did an interesting story about that very issue.


10 posted on 11/11/2025 10:53:28 AM PST by sjmjax
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To: Retain Mike

This is Veterans Day, not Memorial Day.

I believe the wreath hanging should be on Memorial Day.


11 posted on 11/11/2025 10:59:23 AM PST by waterhill (Nobody cares, work harder!)
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