[nickcarraway]

Both sides usually don't do a cost/benefit analysis. They either say it's all good, or all bad. Certainly, it doesn't make sense for everyone. But also, do you think that there aren't a lot of people who go onto remunerative careers from getting degrees? That's foolish too. And, do people know that the majority of people who get advanced degrees in computer science/engineering/related areas are foreign born. And those degrees do lead to high-paying jobs. We don't have enough native born people going into them. Telling all kids that going to college is going to be a waste of time and money for all of them is foolish.

I do not like how higher education has become today. But I also don't think we can afford to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[real saxophonist]

A Bachelor of Music is a BM. And that’s about what it’s worth.

[Mr. Blond]

Some people aren’t made for college. Some definitely are, and we need them there.

[daniel1212]

do people know that the majority of people who get advanced degrees in computer science/engineering/related areas are foreign born

As are those in restaurants, or children of them born over 20 years ago. . What is missing is that based upon mt view from the street (where I word on bikes for free, by the grace of God) raised in America youth typically lack much initiative to be productive, industrious, and have an attention span of seconds, plus being overweight, and addicted to smartphones.

Meanwhile, the helper on the local trash pick up said he made 130,000 last year, though the average pay is listed as $39K-$61K/yr

Many youth show disconnection from work and education, with higher rates of unemployment or being neither in school nor working, contributing to lower productivity and industriousness. ​

The average attention span of American teens has decreased significantly, reportedly from about 12 seconds in 2000 to less than 8 seconds recently, partly due to multifaceted screen usage and constant multitasking on smartphones. ​

​ Obesity rates among teens have dramatically increased, with about 1 in 3 teens now overweight or obese, correlating strongly with excessive screen time and sedentary lifestyles. ​​

Excessive smartphone use (more than 2 hours/day) is linked to poorer health outcomes, increased weight, reduced sleep quality, and attention difficulties. ​​

Digital media's dopamine-driven reward system influences youth behavior, decreasing motivation for effortful, mundane activities and increasing impulsivity due to underdeveloped executive functions in adolescent brains. ​

​ Surveys and studies also show young adults struggling with lower motivation and attention, affected by technology and broader socio-economic factors impacting employment and education engagement.- https://www.perplexity.ai ​

[T.B. Yoits]

...the majority of people who get advanced degrees in computer science/engineering/related areas are foreign born.

Foreigners need to get "advanced" degrees because the degree from their home country is a fraud and won't get them into the field. Their degree from a U.S. institution is their starting point.