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Presidential Powers After ~40 Days of Government Shutdown (USA)
Legal RealityNo specific powers or authorities are automatically granted to the President after approximately 40 days (or any fixed duration) of a government shutdown. The Antideficiency Act (31 U.S.C. §§ 1341-1342, 1511-1519) applies from day one and prohibits spending without appropriations, with no time-based escalations.
Core Exceptions (Ongoing)Activities protecting life and property, constitutional duties (e.g., Commander-in-Chief), and mandatory programs (Social Security, Medicare) continue regardless of shutdown length.
Executive Discretion via OMBPresident, through the Office of Management and Budget, designates "essential" vs. "non-essential" employees and prioritizes operations. This discretion exists from the start and does not legally expand over time.
Practical Effects in Prolonged Shutdowns (~40 Days)
  • Furloughs of 800,000–900,000 federal workers
  • Selective reopening of favored agencies
  • Issuance of reduction-in-force (RIF) notices (60-day requirement)
  • Political pressure on Congress
Impoundment & RescissionsUnder the Impoundment Control Act (1974), President may propose deferrals or rescissions, but Congress must approve rescissions within 45 days. Shutdown provides political cover, not new legal power.
National Emergency DeclarationNot tied to shutdown duration. Can be invoked (e.g., 2019 border wall after 35-day shutdown) under National Emergencies Act to redirect funds (e.g., military construction). Requires separate justification.
2025 Shutdown Context (~40–42 Days)Longest in U.S. history (ended ~November 10–11, 2025). Administration used for:
  • Proposing workforce cuts
  • Accepting private donations for military pay (raised legal concerns)
  • Planning agency restructuring
No new statutory powers granted.
How Shutdown EndsRequires Congress to pass appropriations legislation, which President signs or vetoes. No unilateral presidential termination authority.
Common MisconceptionNo 40-day threshold exists in law. Confusion may arise from debt ceiling crises or emergency declarations, which are separate mechanisms.
SummaryProlonged shutdowns amplify political and practical influence but do not confer new legal powers. All actions remain constrained by existing statutes and subject to judicial review.

2,308 posted on 11/11/2025 3:18:55 PM PST by foldspace
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I appreciate your post regarding Presidential Powers After ~40 Days of Government Shutdown!


2,312 posted on 11/11/2025 4:18:07 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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2,374 posted on 11/11/2025 8:47:29 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.) )
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per GROK - exceptions to (31 U.S.C. §§ 1341-1342, 1511-1519)

1. Express Statutory Exceptions
Congress may enact laws that explicitly authorize obligations or expenditures in advance of appropriations. Examples include:

StatutePurposeFeed and Forage Act (41 U.S.C. § 6301, formerly 41 U.S.C. § 11)Allows the Department of Defense to obligate funds for clothing, fuel, supplies, and services for troops in the field before an appropriation is made, in urgent situations.
Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA)Requires hospitals to provide emergency care regardless of funding availability (though not a direct spending exception, it creates enforceable obligations).
Certain disaster relief authorities (e.g., Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C. § 5170b)Permit FEMA to incur obligations for immediate response activities before appropriations.

2. Authorized by Law (31 U.S.C. § 1341(a)(1)(A))
Agencies may incur obligations if "authorized by law" even without a current appropriation. This includes:
Entitlement programs (e.g., Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) where payment is mandatory under substantive law (not subject to annual appropriations).
Interest on the public debt (31 U.S.C. § 3101, 3123) – constitutionally and statutorily required.
Contract authority in advance of appropriations (e.g., Federal-Aid Highway Act allows obligation of contract authority before appropriation of liquidating cash).
Multi-year contracts authorized by statute (e.g., shipbuilding, certain R&D).

3. Personal Services in Emergencies (31 U.S.C. § 1342)
Limited exception for voluntary personal services to: Protect life or property during emergencies.
Example: Federal employees may continue working during a lapse in appropriations if their functions involve safety of human life or protection of property (as determined by agency heads and OPM/OMB guidance).

Note: This does not allow payment without appropriations — only continued work. Payment must await an appropriation.

4. Obligations in Advance of Appropriations (Where Authorized) Certain laws allow obligations to be incurred before funds are appropriated, provided payment is made from future appropriations:

Revolving funds
Working capital funds
Franchise funds
No-year appropriations (remain available until expended)

5. Court Orders and Judgments
The government must comply with final court judgments (e.g., Tucker Act claims, Court of Federal Claims).
Payment may be made from the Judgment Fund (31 U.S.C. § 1304) — a permanent, indefinite appropriation.

6. Constitutional Imperatives
Compensation of constitutional officers (e.g., President, Congress, Article III judges) cannot be withheld due to appropriations lapse (rooted in Article I and III independence). Debt service on the public debt (14th Amendment, § 4).

7. De Minimis / Ratification Authority
Negligible or inadvertent violations may be ratified by subsequent appropriations (rare, requires congressional intent).
GAO has allowed administrative correction for small errors if no willful intent.

Key Limitations

No implied exceptions — must be expressly authorized.
Voluntary services are generally prohibited (31 U.S.C. § 1342).
No authority to "borrow" from future years without statutory permission.
Violations trigger mandatory reporting to Congress and the President, and may result in disciplinary action.

Summary Table of Major Exceptions

-Authorized by law 31 U.S.C. § 1341(a)(1)(A)Entitlements, interest, contract authority
-Emergencies (life/property)31 U.S.C. § 1342Voluntary services only
-Feed and Forage41 U.S.C. § 6301DoD field operations
-Judgments31 U.S.C. § 1304Court-ordered payments
-Constitutional officers U.S. Const. President, Congress, judges

2,384 posted on 11/11/2025 9:29:07 PM PST by stylin19a ("Death Smiles At Everyone - Marines Smile Back" - 250 years of smiling - 11/10/2025)
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