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To: marcusmaximus
Putin claims Ukraine should give up Donetsk because Russia will conquer region by October

If Putin wants Zelensky to give up the "fortress belt" in the Donbass, he'll have to agree to the security guarantees.

9 posted on 08/24/2025 12:29:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Sounds like the West is negotiating with itself again [hat-tip to Yves Smith, Naked Capitalism]
11 posted on 08/24/2025 12:40:09 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: MinorityRepublican

I can’t imagine Russia trusting Russophobic Brits spoiling for war with Russia…as “ peacekeepers”

Minsk didn’t work out so well with European “ monitors”


27 posted on 08/24/2025 2:14:41 PM PDT by silverleaf (M:“Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out” —David Horowitz)
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To: MinorityRepublican

You are funny.


33 posted on 08/24/2025 4:05:10 PM PDT by delta7
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To: MinorityRepublican

If that’s the case, Putin really screwed his own pooch.

He may have gained some land, but he ends up with Euro troops right on that border, and Euro-NATO defense spending more than doubled. He could have easily forced a solution without invading Ukraine, in which Ukraine was allowed into NATO eventually, but, much as happened with the former East Germany, only Ukrainian troops would be in Ukraine, and no long range NATO weapons would be in Ukraine. To this day, the Baker promise to Goby has been kept: The only NATO troops in the former East Germany are Germans. Even more important, Euro-NATO would have stayed mired in complacency. I highly doubt it would have even made the 2% of GDP defense spending goal, while huge Russian oil and gas profits would have continued.


38 posted on 08/24/2025 9:33:09 PM PDT by Paul R. (Old Viking saying: "Never be more than 3 steps away from your weapon ... or a Uriah Heep song!" ;-))
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