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To: nickcarraway

“Independents, who often determine winners in close elections, are less positive than negative, 28% favorable to 53% unfavorable.”

Can someone explain this to me? Of course, *Dems* are going to hate him like they hate any living Republican. But independents? Why the lopsided hate among alleged “independents”? Because other than mere partisanship, I don’t quite get what’s to dislike so much about JDV. He seems like a good guy to me. He’s got a great biography (cf. Hillbilly Elegy), made something out of life after a difficult childhood, served in the Marines, is a family man. Seems to me that to hate him, is to hate what good and decent about America.


3 posted on 08/01/2025 7:04:45 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler
Good analysis.

5 posted on 08/01/2025 7:09:06 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie ( O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and his mercy endures forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: irishjuggler

Republicans never seem to care or do a good job at making themselves likeable across vast swaths.


8 posted on 08/01/2025 7:11:26 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: irishjuggler

I can speak for myself as a Republican — there are some figures I really like in more legislative (Senate/House) or more minor positions. But president, even mayor/governor - the chief executive - I look for different things…


11 posted on 08/01/2025 7:15:34 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege ( )
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To: irishjuggler

Future President Vance will do just fine in the election because he gets to run against the Democrats.


16 posted on 08/01/2025 7:27:29 PM PDT by cgbg (It was not us. It was them--all along.)
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To: irishjuggler
“Independents, who often determine winners in close elections, are less positive than negative, 28% favorable to 53% unfavorable.” Can someone explain this to me? Of course, *Dems* are going to hate him like they hate any living Republican. But independents? Why the lopsided hate among alleged “independents”? Because other than mere partisanship, I don’t quite get what’s to dislike so much about JDV. He seems like a good guy to me. He’s got a great biography (cf. Hillbilly Elegy), made something out of life after a difficult childhood, served in the Marines, is a family man. Seems to me that to hate him, is to hate what good and decent about America.

The explanation is very simple. The Advocate is a far left progressive newspaper. They are very heavy into LGBT issues.

They lie. But to quote Mark Twain, "liars, damn liars, and statisticians. It is believed this was originally from Benjamin Disraeli.

26 posted on 08/01/2025 8:23:21 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: irishjuggler
Can someone explain this to me? Of course, *Dems* are going to hate him like they hate any living Republican. But independents? Why the lopsided hate among alleged “independents”?

I have read analysis lately of the Independents polling less centrist than they used to: the Democrat party is so ridiculously unpopular that many refuse to call themselves Dems any more and instead now call themselves "independents." But that makes the category more left than it was before Biden.

Reasonable theory.

40 posted on 08/10/2025 1:35:48 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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