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The Real Definition of ‘Well Regulated’ in the 2nd Amendment
Gun Rights ^ | July 14, 2025 | Dudley Brown

Posted on 07/26/2025 5:24:00 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s

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I used to have this argument with a liberal inlaw, very intelligent and well educated in the STEMS.But thick as a brick. He was a true "new dealer".

His argument on 2A was that its true meaning relied on the placement of a comma.

1 posted on 07/26/2025 5:24:00 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Isn’t it Sweden and Israel that has compulsory military service and then you retain the weapon? Personally, I think this is a model that we need and I would tie college education to years of service. Serve the min 2 years military, get two years college...


2 posted on 07/26/2025 5:28:02 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Bkmk


3 posted on 07/26/2025 5:29:10 PM PDT by sauropod (Make sure Satan has to climb over a lot of Scripture to get to you. John MacArthur Ne supra crepidam)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I ascribe to Founding Father George Mason’s description of “militia:” anyone not affiliated with the government. Succinct and to the point.


4 posted on 07/26/2025 5:29:42 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

My understanding was “well regulated” meant “well-trained”, therefore a capable, reliable, orderly fighting force.


5 posted on 07/26/2025 5:37:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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It used to be the custom for all free males between 18 and 45 to show up for drill once a month. Usually after church.

The interesting point I always see is that the militia is suppose to be well regulated but it does not continue that it is the right of the militia to keep and bear arms but the right of the people.

That means if you are a member of the militia or not. Under 18 or over 45. Male or female. Able bodied or disabled. You still have the right to keep and bear arms.

Because you are part of "the People".

6 posted on 07/26/2025 5:47:56 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: Mean Daddy

Switzerland.

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7 posted on 07/26/2025 5:51:16 PM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Sounds correct to me.


8 posted on 07/26/2025 5:51:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Not a fan of Dudley Brown


9 posted on 07/26/2025 5:54:40 PM PDT by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Well Regulated” means I have rifles and know how to use them well.


10 posted on 07/26/2025 5:54:58 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

This one minute video (with bad language), to me, accurately describes the 2nd amendment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx23c84obwQ


11 posted on 07/26/2025 5:56:33 PM PDT by suthener ( I do not like living under our homosexual, ghetto, feminist government.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Well regulated” means well-trained to Arms, self-disciplined and ready to obey the chain of command, and prepared with the required gear for The Muster.

Thereby, not being an unlawfully-led mob, rabble and threat to the peace.


12 posted on 07/26/2025 6:00:05 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“A well-regulated Militia


for me that always meant “of like mind with a common purpose.”


13 posted on 07/26/2025 6:03:08 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued, but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere)
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I discovered a professor wrote a book about the group of Scotch-Irish settlers my family moved to America with. She wrote that the colonies wanted Christian settlers to move to America so they could be useful fighting indians and the English in the event of war. They awarded settlers with land, but only if they could prove they were in good standing with a protestant church. They weren’t issuing guns and providing military training, but by the expectation they would defend themselves, they expected them to armed.


14 posted on 07/26/2025 6:08:38 PM PDT by Yogafist
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That’s right. Back in the day clocks/time pieces were imprecise and usually required regular maintenance and calibration to keep good time. The clock was then called well regulated.

Freegards


15 posted on 07/26/2025 6:08:54 PM PDT by Ransomed
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Yep. Exactly. A well-regulated blacksmith was who you wanted to take your blacksmithing job to, so it would be done correctly, by an individual who knew his stuff.


16 posted on 07/26/2025 6:09:26 PM PDT by curious7
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Of course "well regulated" means well trained, not rules and regulations as gun grabbers would have you believe, I always liked this, copied from an FR post years ago:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Let’s see. Does that mean that only Militia members can keep and bear arms?

Put another way: “A well educated electorate, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.”

Does that mean only educated people are allowed to keep and read books?

17 posted on 07/26/2025 6:21:16 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono
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To: ChildOfThe60s

My understanding is that the only part of the 2nd amendment that matters is the second clause, since it contains the operative word “shall” which has special significance in legal writing. The first clause is just a descriptive preamble. The second clause contains the “shall statement” that is legally binding.


18 posted on 07/26/2025 6:23:28 PM PDT by Yardstick
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The first part is just the prepatory phrase, an explanation. The why. It doesn’t really matter per se. The key part:

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

That’s it. Of course this could or should have been abolished by Amendment at any time in the last 250 years. I’m surprised it wasn’t. Particularly since Democrats had all both branches of Congress and the Executive at one time or another for many years. From the 1930s up to the 1990s, I think it was at least practicable, especially considering trust in government was very high, the country was still fairly homogeneous and culturally still a high trust society.

Today? Fuggedabout it. Absolutely nobody is concerned about pedantic, theoretical debates on word definitions.


19 posted on 07/26/2025 6:31:50 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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The real definition of "Well Regulated" is ABSOLUTELY MEANINGLESS because it is part of a prefatory clause (also sometimes termed a nominative absolute clause) which, according to Webster's 18th-Century treatises on grammar, may not and cannot alter the meaning of any independent clause.

If you didn't know this that means you didn't read Justice Scalia's opinion when writing for the majority in the Heller decision.

Don't play their silly game, don't argue over the meaning of a dependent clause that does not and cannot affect the meaning of the independent clause. Argue instead over 18th Century grammar as codified by Noah Webster's 1790 Rudiments of English Grammar. Because that's what an Originalist should do!

Rule #15 verbatim from the referenced work:

A nominative case or word, joined with a participle, often stands independently of the sentence. This is called, the case absolute.
Examples.
The sun being risen, it will be warm.
They all consenting, the vote was passed.
“Jesus conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.”

Explanation:
The words in italics are not connected with the other part of the sentence, either by agreement or government; they are therefore in the case absolute, which, in English, is always the nominative.

20 posted on 07/26/2025 6:31:52 PM PDT by threefinger
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