Russia helped create the US, Putin tells Trump

I don’t recall anyone saying it was solely responsible for creating the USSR.

Not only was Lenin secretly sent by train (literally a black train, scheduled so it would pass the border in the dark) it held THIRTY other revolutionaries.

It was expressly know their plan was to foment discord and civil war. Which is exactly why the German High command made the COLOSSAL mistake (in the long term).

Many of those sent with Lenin were radicals with organizational skills and media experience…something worth remembering today.

Known Passengers on the Sealed Train (April 1917):
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Ulyanov) – Leader of the Bolsheviks, central figure of the group.
Nadezhda Krupskaya – Lenin’s wife, Bolshevik activist, and educator.
Grigory Zinoviev (Radomyslsky) – Prominent Bolshevik, key figure in the Comintern later.
Alexandra Zinovieva – Zinoviev’s wife, also a revolutionary.
Karl Radek (Sobelsohn) – Bolshevik journalist and international socialist.
Fritz Platten – Swiss socialist who organized the journey and acted as intermediary with German authorities.
Inessa Armand – French-Russian Bolshevik, feminist, and close associate of Lenin.
Mikha Tskhakaya – Georgian Bolshevik, founder of Caucasian Social-Democratic organization.
Grigory Safarov – Bolshevik activist, later involved in Soviet administration.
David Suliashvili – Georgian Bolshevik revolutionary.
Elena Usieva – Bolshevik revolutionary, less documented but noted in some accounts.
Semen Suliashvili – Georgian revolutionary, associated with Bolshevik activities.
Olga Ravich – Bolshevik activist, involved in revolutionary propaganda.
Grigory Usievich – Bolshevik, son of a revolutionary exiled in Siberia.
Elena Usievich (Kon) – Daughter of a Polish revolutionary, Bolshevik activist.
Georgy Pyatakov – Bolshevik and key figure in revolutionary and economic planning.
Evgenia Bosh – Ukrainian Bolshevik, active in revolutionary circles.
Mikhail Borodin – Bolshevik who later became a Comintern agent.
Anatoly Lunacharsky – Bolshevik intellectual, later Soviet Commissar for Education (though some sources debate his presence on this specific trip).
Vera Sapozhnikova – Bolshevik activist, less documented.
Moisei Kharitonov – Bolshevik revolutionary, involved in party organization.
Viktor Nogin – Bolshevik and trade unionist, later a Soviet official (some sources question his presence).
Ivan Tskhakaya – Relative of Mikha Tskhakaya, Georgian revolutionary.
Raisa Skalon – Bolshevik activist, part of the revolutionary circle.
Maria Ulyanova – Lenin’s sister, though her presence is less certain in some accounts.
Anna Ulyanova-Yelizarova – Lenin’s older sister, involved in revolutionary activities (presence debated).
Abram Belenky – Bolshevik, later involved in Soviet security services.
David Riazanov – Marxist scholar and revolutionary (some sources suggest he was on the train, though not definitive).
Semyon Dimanstein – Bolshevik and later a Soviet official in Jewish affairs.
Fedor Sergeev (Artyom) – Bolshevik revolutionary, though his inclusion is less consistently documented.

https://www.factinate.com/people/lenins-train-ride-and-germanys-desperate-gamble

Ohh but I do agree with you WW1 was NOT the sole fault of Imperial Germany.

Like the Anglophiles here on FR assert. Also GB if I recall DOWd on Germany FIRST in WW1 (well and 2). But yeah I always thought that Russias obstinate insistence on Mobilization over what was so far a regional war was very tragic.

Oh, I didn’t know that, but I am sure that he would have been interested in such endeavors, especially since he was a friend of the (then famous) archeologist Wilhelm Dörpfeld (1853-1940). Dörpfeld supervised numerous excavations of historic sites in Greece, including one on the Acropolis in Athens.

Furthermore, the then Queen-Consort of Greece, Sophia, was his sister, and the Imperial family owned a vacation home, called the Achilleion, on the island of Corfu near the Greek west-coast 🙂 There, the Emperor’s family often would spend the summers, and the Greek royal family would often come for visits.

The problem with Russian mobilization was once started it couldn’t be stopped. Distances were too far, communication and transportation too poorly organized and inflexible, military logistic capability too incompetent!

You are right: Britain declared war against Germany on the 4th of August, as the German troops were advancing into Belgium. This step had been necessary to get to the French troops assembled in Northern France. The German side hoped that this time a decisive victory could be achieved in the West, before the full force of the Russian onslaught would reach Germany.

And to this day I am convinced that this escalation might never have occurred without the Russian mobilisation on July 30th 1914, when Emperor Wilhelm pleaded on the telephone with the Czar to call back his troops.

The Czar said that he couldn’t change it any more and wished God’s blessing on the Emperor. You are right, once the Russian army was on the move, there was no turning back.

I personally believe that this was indeed a movement which had been debated, maybe even prepared, during Poincaré‘s state visit to St. Petersburg just days earlier. There had been lavish and raucous celebrations of Russian and French officers together, with a lot of toasts of „Next year in Berlin!“

To me, this spectacle doesn’t look too peacelike…

“Your Zelinsky really slaughtered Kiev last night with his crappy ineffective statesmanship because Greed. Greedy punk will refuse peace until there is no grift left. This is what Grifting Green Tshirt Midget Moron did to Kiev in punishment for showing up at NATO meeting and poking the bear. He refused Trump's help and sabotaged Trump's peace initiative. Green Tshirt man clearly wants more war and destruction. Z Midget needs to surrender before there is nothing left. Or Z needs to disappear and a real Peacrmaker stop this needless suffering.”

Good Lord. What could be done to finally defeat the Grifting Green Tshirt Midget Moron and help President Putin in bringing back the peace and spreading liberty ?

In over 80 years of living among people interested in world afairs, living in various parts of this country, reading literature and news from multiple ideology sources, this is the FIRST I am hearing that Russia had any significant impact in our Revolution or the Civil War. In fact even the fact that we bought Alaska from Russia does not indicated they did anything for us, except turn over the governance of Alaska once they were paid and moved on to other activities.

Dr. Franklin: "Tsar Paul was the first European head of state to recognize the independence of the U.S."

That's pure nonsense.
In fact, Tsar Paul was a babbling idiot who'd make Joe Biden look intelligent.
Paul took power in 1796, after 19 other countries had already recognized the USA.
Paul had no clue what he was doing and certainly no interest in recognizing the USA.

Paul's mother, Catherine the Great, was much different, but she refused to accept the US delegation to St. Petersburg in 1780, a delegation which had included the very young future US President, John Quincy Adams.

So Russia was not the first to recognize the US, it was the 24th, long after most of Europe and the world had already done so.
Here's the whole list:

1777 Morocco Sultan Mohammed III offered protection and port access to U.S. ships—first formal recognition by a foreign power2
1778 France Treaty of Amity and Commerce signed on Feb 6; France became the first major power to recognize the U.S.2
1782 Netherlands Accepted John Adams as U.S. Minister; hosted the first American embassy in The Hague
1783 Portugal Recognition followed by diplomatic relations in 1791
1783 Spain Official recognition on Feb 20; had earlier informal correspondence acknowledging U.S. sovereignty2
1783 Sweden Treaty of Amity and Commerce signed on April 32
1783 Ragusa (Dubrovnik) De facto recognition; not a major power but notable for early acknowledgment
1783 Venice Recognition in August; limited diplomatic engagement
1783 Great Britain Treaty of Paris signed on Sept 3, formally ending the war and recognizing U.S. independence
1784 Papal States Recognition via diplomatic correspondence
1785 Prussia Treaty of Amity and Commerce signed on Sept 18
1788 Mysore (India) Tipu Sultan’s embassy acknowledged by Thomas Jefferson
1790 Hamburg Recognition via trade and consular relations
1791 Genoa Diplomatic ties established
1792 Denmark-Norway Commercial treaty signed on June 9
1794 Bremen Recognition through trade agreements
1794 Tuscany Recognition sometime between May 29 and Dec 7
1795 Tunisia Treaty signed on March 28
1795 Algeria Treaty signed on Sept 5
1796 Naples Recognition via treaty on May 20
1796 Tripolitania Treaty signed on Nov 4
1797 Austria Month unspecified; recognition occurred during this year
1802 Piedmont-Sardinia Recognition established; details limited
1803 Russian Empire Tsar Alexander I formal recognition on Oct 28 by accepting Levett Harris as U.S. consul

Dr. Franklin: "Without the support of the French, the British would have ended the American rebellion in due course.
Americans owed the French for their independence, not the Russians."

True enough, but it wasn't only the French.
Spain and the Netherlands also provided significant aid in both military hardware and money.

Russian participation was indirect at best and focused on securing Russian interests, which coincidentally also supported US interests, by distracting British attention & forces away from America.

That’s the history that is taught in Russia.

Bro, you have to look at this the way a Russian looks at this:

1) Russia was the first to recognize the U.S. because no other country counts.

2) Russia’s help was crucial for us winning our independence us because Russia didn’t kill us.

3) You probably didn’t have enough vodka before writing.