The following contains from thefederalist.com - from author Jim Witteveen, a Canadian missionary currently working in Brazil as a seminary director and professor.
"And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonours you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." - Genesis 12:2-3
We know the Israelites are the children of Abraham, say the dispensationalists. Therefore, we need to stand with Israel. If we don't, we will be cursed. If we do, we can expect to be blessed by God. Think what you will of Benjamin Netanyahu and his politics. Think what you will of Israel's, and now our, conflict with Iran. We must support Israel because they are Abraham's children, and we cannot expect God's blessing if we turn our backs on them. Oh yes, and there's one additional benefit: Our support of Israel will bring about all of the things that are spoken about in Revelation, and our support for the modern nation-state known as Israel will usher in the speedy return of the Lord Jesus.
The problem is, the dispensationalists forget how the second part of Genesis 12:3 has been fulfilled in Christ (the Descendant of Abraham, through whom all the families of the Earth have been blessed), and they also neglect one important aspect of the New Covenant, a fact repeatedly emphasized by the Apostle Paul:
That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring — not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all… (Romans 4:16)
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So them, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham the man of faith. (Galatians 3:8-9)
And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16)
Regarding that last verse, it's important to note that the word “and,” before “upon the Israel of God,” can (and I believe should) be translated as “even,” and understood to mean “that is” — creating a parallel between “all who walk by this rule” and “the Israel of God.” These are one and the same group. These are “those who are of faith,” who are “blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.”
The question of the moment is this: Who is it who must be blessed to receive God's blessing? And who is it who must not be cursed, lest God's curse fall upon the one doing the cursing? The answer, both under the Old Covenant and the New, is “God's people.” Who were God's people under the Old Covenant? The children of Abraham and those who were grafted into their family from outside, those who joined themselves to Israel and became covenant-keepers. And who are God's people now? The children of Abraham, as defined by the Apostle Paul: “those who are of faith,” “the one who shares the faith of Abraham.”
Is that the modern nation-state of Israel? No, it is the church! Does God's promise to Abraham still stand? Yes, it does! Does that promise have to do with a narrow strip of land bordering the Mediterranean, and does it apply only to people who belong to a specific ethnic group? No, it doesn't! It applies to Jew and Greek, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, and free (Colossians 3:11).
The moral of the story is this: If you are going to let your vague memory of a Sunday school slogan guide your international policy decisions, make sure what you learned in Sunday school was correct. And if you're teaching the Bible to children, realize that your teaching could have huge repercussions, not only for the children you're teaching but for the world geopolitical order.
End of Jim Witteveen's excerpts
"A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise does not come from men, but from God. " - Romans 2:28,29
If you disagree with Jim Witteveen's perspective, please spare us any name-calling. If you have a theological or rational argument to counter his, please share that thought.
i, as well as the man that posted this thread, already did. i posted from the link provided thebrationalnl veiwpoint that mirrors mine exacyly. many of those rational points ive posted on many threads many times
you either ignored it or didnt read it.
or both.
antisemite isnt a derogatory name, its a factual observation and description.
i called no one personally any name.
i did ask a question of the poster that also asked a question.
Arabs are also the “seed of Abraham”.