[Owen]

Bottom line on all this . . . the claims of trillions were always bogus.

I do think Musk found $100-150B of waste. Not fraud because if he found fraud that’s an indictment for a criminal offense, and we have seen none of those.

$150B is not bad, but it’s insignificant. Interest on the debt will swallow that without even a glass of water.

[caddie]

Oh I think he found infinite numbers of persons who committed fraud, it's just that the DOJ does not want to indict them. Every single person receiving a fraudulent check from SS is a crim, and should have been imprisoned.

Humans are not machines. If you punish them severely, others see this and the word gets around. General levels of criminality decrease.

It's called civilization.

As for the hard core criminals who took lots of money from USAid, etc., and retired as Congressmen worth hundreds of millions of dollars, well, see the above.