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To: jeffersondem

The 13th amendment banning slavery was not ratified until Dec of 1865. The union states of Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky and Maryland were all slave states. Slavery, prior to the passage of the 13th amendment forbidding chattel slavery was a 10th amendment option of the individual states. The US constitution did not REQUIRE it, even though the Fugitive Slave Clause did allow for the interstate apprehension and return of runaway slaves.

Given the constitutional realities of the time, Lincoln had NO constitutional authority to interfere with slavery in those slave states not in rebellion against the US. The Emancipation Proclamation was an executive order aimed at depriving the Confederacy of the military utility of the labor of their slave population, and was framed as such.

Lincoln can hardly be blamed for a constitution that at the time did not allow for him to end the evil institution of slavery, anymore that Trump should be blamed for not being able to end the horror of unchecked in the womb baby slaughter of innocent infants in those states supporting abortion.

There are other grounds to accuse Lincoln of constitutional infidelity, but his position on slavery is not one of them.


40 posted on 06/10/2025 6:28:37 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: DMZFrank

Your post 16 attempted to make some kind of regional moral hay by playing the old tapes about “slavery advocating. insurrectionist, rebellious Confederate past.”

My response is that both the CSA Constitution and the USA Constitution were pro-slavery; and that President Lincoln took an oath (twice as president) to uphold and defend the pro-slavery U.S. Constitution. I could have added that Lincoln, as Congressman, could have introduced a constitutional amendment to abolish slavery peacefully. And I could have added that President Lincoln could have advocated for such a Constitutional amendment in 1861 to abolish slavery peacefully instead of “fighting to free the slaves”, if - in fact - that is what he did.

As an aside, the U.S. Constitution’s Fugitive Slave Clause did not “allow” for the return of slaves; the language was “shall”.

Slavery was enshrined in the U.S. Constitution several times times, but not until Article I.


43 posted on 06/10/2025 7:13:28 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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