Posted on 05/26/2025 2:25:02 PM PDT by grundle
Andor v. Star Trek: How Star Wars gets government right
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In my opinion, it's the best new Star Wars TV show or movie since the original trilogy from 1977, 1980, and 1983. It's available on Disney Plus, and on Blu Ray.
This is the full scene that is briefly shown in the Reason TV video. It's from the first episode.
The other two clips are of Mon Mothma trying to talk her daughter out of marriage, and then Mon dancing at the wedding. Neither are scenes I'd have expected from this franchise.
It is good. Government in Star Trek is a libtard circle jerk.
-SB
Andor is really good, totally worth watching.
You can get a Disney+ free 7 day trial, binge the show, then cancel.
The Star Trek government is a benevolent communism that has eliminated capitalism, and everyone works for the good of humanity only. About as realistic as a flying sofa.
Not the Orginial, they still use credits. The Fexeration was molded on the US.
Even though geared to a younger audience, I really loved “Skeleton Crew”. Andor was a slow burn for me, but by the end I really liked it.
Watch Blake’s 7 instead, but skip the first episode (you can watch it at the end if you want as that is where it should have been) just start watching at episode 2
1. Star Trek - Characters are flat and one-dimensional.
1. Blake’s 7 - Characters are very complex and three-dimensional.
2. Star Trek - The Federation is (supposedly) good.
2. Blake’s 7 - The Federation is evil.
3. Star Trek - The dialogue is hokey, cheesy, and corny.
3. Blake’s 7 - The dialogue is clever, witty, and humorous.
4. Star Trek - Transporters are commonplace.
4. Blake’s 7 - Transporters are amazing.
5. Star Trek - Stand by your friends.
5. Blake’s 7 - Stand behind your friends.
6. Star Trek - Characters always use time travel to fix all their mistakes in their lives.
6. Blake’s 7 - There is no time travel in the B7 universe, all characters deal with the consequences of their actions, for better or worse.
7. Star Trek - Major characters die and are resurrected, hence, the actors become typecasted.
7. Blake’s 7 - Major characters die and the actors move on to bigger and better things.
8. Star Trek - Computers have zero personalities.
8. Blake’s 7 - Computers have quirks, perks, and pet-peeves.
9. Star Trek - Characters are fully devoted to the Federation, with an innate desire to help other people from the goodness of their hearts.
9. Blake’s 7 - Characters look out for one another for mutual advantage by escaping from the Federation with their hide intact, and make a few bucks on the side.
10. Star Trek - Humanitarianism is applied to practical daily life.
10. Blake’s 7 - Wealth is the only reality.
11. Star Trek - High morals make fine Federation officers.
11. Blake’s 7 - Greed makes very efficient Federation troopers.
12. Star Trek - Running away is an act of cowardice.
12. Blake’s 7 - Strategic withdrawal is running away, but with dignity.
13. Star Trek - Modesty is a sign of maturity and good character.
13. Blake’s 7 - Modesty is dishonesty.
14. Star Trek - Civilization has always depended on truth.
14. Blake’s 7 - Civlization has always depended on courtesy, rather than truth.
15. Star Trek - Assassination is considered unethical and apalling.
15. Blake’s 7 - Assassination has always been a legimate tool of statecraft and is pubicly accepted.
16. Star Trek - Good deeds are always rewarded.
16. Blake’s 7 - No good deeds go unpunished.
17. Star Trek - Self-sacrifice is a highly noble trait.
17. Blake’s 7 - Self-preservation is highly noble trait.
18. Star Trek - Winning means surviving.
18. Blake’s 7 - If winning means dying, choose losing every time.
19. Star Trek - Good is always favored over evil.
19. Blake’s 7 - Choosing the lesser evil of the two is the best option.
20. Star Trek - Saving someone’s life is viewed as a heroic gesture.
20. Blake’s 7 - Saving someone’s life is sometimes viewed as a big mistake.
21. Star Trek - Friendship can be as good as a handshake.
21. Blake’s 7 - Friendship can be as good as a handshake in one hand, and a hammer in the other.
22. Star Trek - The Enterprise encounters an alien civilization and destroys it in the name of Freedom, Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
22. Blake’s 7 - The Liberator encounters an alien civilization and destroys it in self defense.
23. Star Trek - Stories are solved within an hour.
23. Blake’s 7 - Stories are solved within several episodes, and sometimes leave many unresolved issues.
24. Star Trek - The humor on the show has always been spoon-fed.
24. Blake’s 7 - The humor on the show has always been sharp and subtle.
25. Star Trek - The tone of the show is naive and geeky.
25. Blake’s 7 - The tone of the show is dark and cynical.
Not realistic to expect people to work "to better themselves".
They need money, too.
I'm sure even he expected to make (a lot) more than the guy cleaning the bathrooms.
Running his vineyard doesn't come cheap.
Hmm...obviously they deal in credits (Trouble With Tribbles)...
It’s the very core liberal idealism. It’s extremely contrary to human nature.
I’ve not heard of Blake’s 7. Thanks. I just finished The Orville. It was good, similar to Star Trek. It’s only has 3 seasons though.
I just finished watching the first season. It started off slow, but got very good.
No Ewoks in this one, people get killed. The one beat-up little droid is kinda cute, though.
The key to the success if socialism is infinite resources, which is the replicator. If you can ask for anything at all, and that thing pops out of the machine at zero cost - then socialism works perfectly. Otherwise, no.
I think Gene Roddenberry wanted communism in Star Trek, but he didn’t have much control over the original series once it started. He had more over Next Generation, in which you see the most Utopianism.
If everything is inherently free, that sort of solves half the problems of communism. Replicators work by converting energy into whatever form can be programmed into it. So you have free energy and free material goods. But this gives rise to another problem: the energy needed to create a cup of Earl Grey tea (hot) is enough to vaporize a city. Can everyone be trusted with that?
>>In my opinion, it’s the best new Star Wars TV show or movie since the original trilogy
I agree. I didn’t really watch Star Wars after the original trilogy, once Jar Jar was introduced, but Andor got good reviews, so I watched it. I followed up by watching Rogue One which is basically season 3 which was also decent.
Andor Seasons 1 and 2 and the follow on movie Rogue One which took place right before the first Star Wars movie in the timeline are easily THE best Star Wars products Disney has made. They’re really good as compared to almost everything else they’ve done which is garbage.
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