[AnAmericanMother]

See above. They were Brabanters and very proud of it.

Liberal leftists have absolutely nothing to do with it.

I went and hauled out some of my mother's old sheet music, circa 1930, just to see . . . . and it's "Van."

[Yardstick]

And the Alex character in A Clockwork Orange called him “Ludwig Van” so there’s that.

[higgmeister]

I wasn’t attempting to dispute the truth, but the truth is also that we grew up from at least the 1950’s being told his name was Ludwig Von Beethoven and there is vast list of websites verifying that.

[higgmeister]