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To: Openurmind
These libertarians have it absolutely right.

They are not deceived by these neocons, these globalists who worship war. They know the isolationists have it right and that fortress America is the way to a secure America.

They know that anti-globalism means abandoning allies, appeasing potential enemies, and reneging on solemn promises is the new norm.

So we shall abandon Ukraine, bust up NATO, bomb Iraq, defend Israel, bomb Yemen, abandon the Kurds, threaten Canada, intimidate Greenland, offend Denmark and the rest of Europe, slip between the sheets with Qatar, and express indignation when the world says our foreign policy is chaotic.

Then we shall congratulate ourselves and declare ourselves safer because we destroyed one of history's most successful alliances and left some part of 1/2 billion people in Europe dismayed and the rest despising us. No matter that we have incited Europe and the Pacific rim allies to act unilaterally as every nation for itself and consequently, no doubt, proliferating nuclear weapons.

Better than reforming NATO, upholding our promises to Ukraine, or at least faithfully representing them in negotiations, deterring our enemies, and sensibly managing our overextended worldwide commitments.

Much better than squandering a day remembering fallen heroes.


41 posted on 05/23/2025 9:55:37 PM PDT by nathanbedford (Attack, repeat, attack! - Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
You said:

“They know that anti-globalism means abandoning allies, appeasing potential enemies, and reneging on solemn promises is the new norm.”

What allies, specifically, have been abandoned, and how, exactly?

If a country is a “potential enemy,” it is not, by definition and by your own words, an “enemy.” President Reagan has a quote you may remember about that. He said, “My eighty-percent friend is not my twenty-percent enemy.” A quote that's been attributed to Mark Twain, an emperor, and even President Lincoln said something even more radical, “Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?”

Also, what “reneging on solemn promises” has been done? Please give us the details. I will attempt to guess at your target, however.

We promised Ukraine cash and weapons—and gave it. We are still in NATO, but shouldn't be, per President Eisenhower, a Republican, who specifically “thought that NATO would become a truly European alliance, with the American and Canadian commitments ending after about ten years.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower). Eisenhower was the “Supreme Commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and he was given operational command of NATO forces in Europe.”

The fact that Europe still has absolutely no ability to have viable militaries to defend or help others is only on Europe. You want to give the drunk more US support, when it is far larger than the US and has had 80 years to get itself figured out. Europe is far larger in population than the US and is far, FAR larger in population than Russia.

You appear to maintain that the US cannot view the EU as an equal or more with its responsibilities and long-standing promises, simply because “Europeans are not perfect…they are democratic, the birthplace of Western civilization.” (Nathanbedford, Free Republic, https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4318216/posts?page=105#105). However, you instead castigate Trump and the US for these obvious failures of Europe and for Trump's “chaotic” foreign policy toward the EU.

You appear to believe the US must be the primary provider of military services and spending for the entire world.

You say, “I assure you the Europeans do not want to live under US rule and they most certainly do not want to live under the boot of Vladimir Putin.” Well, Europeans, I assure you, don't want to live under the belief they need to have their own cohesive spending and staffing of a military, either. It is obvious Europeans are lazy and irresponsible allies amongst themselves—and with the United States.

Such a drunkard should never be given more alcohol and money. You maintain otherwise, using this reasoning:

“Then we shall congratulate ourselves and declare ourselves safer because we destroyed one of history's most successful alliances and left some part of 1/2 billion people in Europe dismayed and the rest despising us. No matter that we have incited Europe and the Pacific rim allies to act unilaterally as every nation for itself and consequently, no doubt, proliferating nuclear weapons.”

You fail to see the true enemy of Europe is itself. It was always required and expected to handle itself, nathanbedford, and you are defending their continued, irresponsible, failures.

I believe you have been psychologically captured by those you now live amongst—the Germans.

47 posted on 05/24/2025 10:06:39 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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