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To: Bob434
I lost count of how many thousands of dollars I spent “chasing health”- 2ho knows what famage I might have done not knowing the risks of “natural” products?

Me too!

As a 30 mile a week runner for 40 years, careful about my diet and a consumer of many supplements I ended up with lymphoma and kidney failure at 69.

I don't believe, but don't know for sure, if supplements contributed. In fact, it probably was just the "luck of the draw."

One thing I do know for sure, though, is that supplements made no difference and the only benefit was to lighten my bank account.

Unless your doctor recommends supplementation, you're just playing a fool's game taking supplements that may actually cause more pain and which, for the most part, whose only benefit is to separate you from your hard-earned money.

11 posted on 05/17/2025 8:12:22 AM PDT by icclearly
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To: icclearly

yeah im stage 4 almost- gfr number is 34- can’t say for sure, but i think suppliments might have contributed- however, i was a heavy stoner (kidney stones) getting upwards of 60 a year plus a lot of ‘sand’ in urine- I’m sure that was what caused mine- but i mighta speeded up the damage with suppliments-


21 posted on 05/17/2025 9:10:58 AM PDT by Bob434 (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana)
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To: icclearly
Unless your doctor recommends supplementation,

The average doctor knows next to nothing about supplementation.

38 posted on 05/17/2025 10:46:15 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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