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Pete Rose, 'Shoeless' Joe Jackson among players reinstated by MLB
ESPN ^ | 5/13/2025 | Don Van Natta Jr.

Posted on 05/13/2025 1:16:13 PM PDT by God luvs America

In a historic, sweeping decision, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred on Tuesday removed Pete Rose, "Shoeless" Joe Jackson and other deceased players from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list.

The all-time hit king and Jackson -- both longtime baseball pariahs stained by gambling, seen by MLB as the game's mortal sin -- are now presumably eligible for election into the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York.

Manfred ruled that MLB's punishment of banned individuals ends upon their deaths.

"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov, who petitioned for Rose's removal from the list Jan. 8. "Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve.

"Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual, and Mr. Rose will be removed from the permanently ineligible list."

Manfred's decision ends the ban that Rose accepted from then-Commissioner A. Bartlett Giamatti in August 1989, following an MLB investigation that determined the 17-time All-Star had bet on games while managing the Cincinnati Reds.

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To: Vermont Lt

They were banned for life, now their lifetimes are over. So the ban should be lifted.


41 posted on 05/13/2025 1:42:48 PM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: DesertRhino

> Pete Rose bet FOR his own team to win. <

True. But his bets might have motivated him to make decisions that he otherwise would not have made.

Do I rest my best pitcher for one more day? That would be good for the team. Or do I use him today, in a game I have big money on?

I think it all boils down to what the Hall of Fame is meant to be. If it’s meant to simply recognize great accomplishments, then as a player Rose is in.

But if it’s also meant to inspire, then Rose is out.

A good argument could be made either way.


42 posted on 05/13/2025 1:43:36 PM PDT by Leaning Right (It’s morning in America. Again.)
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To: DesertRhino

If they want to look at sports betting, closely examine all who are connected with fantasy betting like Fan Duel. There’s too much money involved for some sort of rigging not to be going on.

Personally, I think it’s ruined the NFL’s credibility.


43 posted on 05/13/2025 1:44:03 PM PDT by citizen (A transgender male competing against women may be male, but he's no man.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

I have been a subscriber to MLB to watch games. With the addition of Fanduel, I can no longer watch my favorite teams play. Called MLB about a separate issue and told them my concern. They agreed with me but said that there is nothing they could to to help. No more of my money is going to MLB.

In Busch Stadium today there are numerous signs for some company called Bet365. The Cardinal games are shown on the FanDuel network. FanDuel, apparently, is a sports gambling company.
Of course, players, coaches, and umpires should be completely prohibited from gambling on baseball, but the league and the teams are profiting a great deal from gambling on baseball.

Seems to me just a bit hypocritical. And we are likely going to see a big gambling scandal hit one of the major sports sooner or later.


44 posted on 05/13/2025 1:44:08 PM PDT by Dacula
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To: DesertRhino

ANY betting, for or against your own team corrupts the game. ANYTHING, ANY MOTIVE... besides wanting to win the game purely because it’s your profession and duty to yourself and your team, is corrupt!

Stupid ass.


45 posted on 05/13/2025 1:46:49 PM PDT by Az Joe (uired to.)
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To: God luvs America

He was my favorite player of all time. I modeled my playing ball after him.

He was pretty much a sick, deviant, sexually predatory scumbag.


46 posted on 05/13/2025 1:49:13 PM PDT by Az Joe (uired to.)
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To: DesertRhino

Pete Rose bet on his own team when he was the manager of that team. That has a direct impact on how he chooses to manage that game, especially in terms of the pitching staff.


47 posted on 05/13/2025 1:54:26 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: DesertRhino
One threw the world series and took a dive

Shoeless Joe Jackson batted .375 with a home run and six rbis in that series. (in the dead ball era) You could build a dynasty around such dive-takers. He didn’t narc on his teammates. That appears to be his biggest sin.
48 posted on 05/13/2025 1:54:58 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: God luvs America

The first good decision by MLB in decades.


49 posted on 05/13/2025 1:54:58 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Az Joe

Yup. He was never my favorite player - hey, I was a Cubs fan! - but I did very much admire him as a kid. I suppose I do still admire how he played on the field.

But - lesson in never making a hero out of an athlete (or an actor or a musician) whose entertainment you enjoy.


50 posted on 05/13/2025 1:57:34 PM PDT by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: Leaning Right
Yeah, I want Rose the player in the HOF. Rose the manager is a blight on the game, especially given how much he lied about it and kept changing the story. I suspect the voters will keep him out for quite some time.

Not sure what the voters will do with regards to Shoeless Joe Jackson.

51 posted on 05/13/2025 1:58:39 PM PDT by CatOwner (Don't expect anyone, even conservatives, to have your back when the SHTF in 2021 and beyond.)
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To: DesertRhino
Pete Rose bet FOR his own team to win. He would have LOST money by throwing the game. His bet would make him fight harder.

Betting on your team is still wrong. You might sacrifice the long term health of an ace pitcher by letting him throw too long. You might lose other games to set up a bigger payout for the game you bet on. Baseball is a 162 game season. You manage for the season, and your players' careers with your team. Betting on your team in a single game tends to undermine that.
52 posted on 05/13/2025 1:59:18 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye." (John 2:5))
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To: House Atreides
There will still be some jerks who will refuse to vote for them.

Yup. I know nothing about Joe Jackson but I saw Pete Rose play when I was a kid. He belongs in the HoF and always did.
53 posted on 05/13/2025 2:01:04 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: God luvs America
Manfred caving on gambling is like Apple or Hollywood or the NBA caving to China. Keenesaw Mountain Landis banned Jackson and the others to restore public confidence in the game. That confidence seems to no longer be a concern.

Jackson? Without the lifetime ban, he would be just like the other big names from that era. Now he has lost the thing that separated him from those others. Everybody remembers his name, but .... quick .... name one of the other 7 who were banned.

Rose should have known better but must have thought he was smarter than everybody else and would not get caught, or maybe it would just blow over. Looks like he wasn't wrong, just ahead of his time.

54 posted on 05/13/2025 2:01:51 PM PDT by Bernard (Issue an annual budget. And Issue a federal government balance sheet. Let's see what we got.)
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To: Kleon
I have some horrible news...

You sir...are a card. With a twisted sense of humor. I like that. =;^)

55 posted on 05/13/2025 2:02:09 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Perfection is impossible. But if you pursue perfection...you may achieve excellence.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Pete Rose bet on his own team when he was the manager of that team. That has a direct impact on how he chooses to manage that game, especially in terms of the pitching staff.

Pete Rose also bet as a player.

The thing about he bet on the Reds only to win is a non-starter. Did he make managerial decisions such as leaving in a pitcher too long, or start a reliever too soon because of his bet on that game?

Rose lied for years about betting on baseball. It was only when the records came out that showed him betting on baseball as a player that he admitted he did. Rose was a great player. But he put his gambling before the team. That speaks a lot about him.

56 posted on 05/13/2025 2:06:52 PM PDT by Fury
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To: God luvs America

Considering that national bookie joints are sponsors of MLB now, it seems a bit precious to pretend they still have concerns about gamblers.


57 posted on 05/13/2025 2:07:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: Bernard

Eddie Cicotte is basically the equal of Stan Coveleski or Dazzy Vance! Not an inner circle guy, but probably HoF caliber if not for the Black Sox.


58 posted on 05/13/2025 2:08:34 PM PDT by Capn Hayek (Capital is not responsible for Labor's lack of planning)
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To: discostu
He SAID he bet for his team. After he said he didn’t bet on games he was involved in. After he said he didn’t bet on baseball. After he said he didn’t bet. When a guy admits to three lies, don’t believe the 4th thing he said.

Pretty clear that Rose was always trying to make the least admission, until he got proven wrong.

What's really ironic is that Rose was among the fiercest competitors around. I can't see him throwing a game he was involved with just to win a few bucks. But, you never know.

59 posted on 05/13/2025 2:10:35 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: God luvs America

It’s absurd this didn’t happen when Rose was still alive.


60 posted on 05/13/2025 2:18:49 PM PDT by Kazan
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