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Could the Pope’s Death Mean the Demise of Liberal Catholicism?
The European Conservative ^ | 21 Apr, 2025 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 04/21/2025 7:49:22 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: MtnClimber

We are going to get a Chinese puppet/ yes man as pope if the Vatican doesn’t delay the crap out of this/is destroyed. Remember the prophecy of Arnold win/Malachy


21 posted on 04/21/2025 8:06:49 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (America needs a Conservative DICTATOR if it hopes to survive. )
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To: arthurus

I wasn’t I pressed with Bergogolio either. He ruined the mass by changing the words. Yuk. I still say it the way I was taught through twelve years of Catholic school.


22 posted on 04/21/2025 8:08:24 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: napscoordinator
109 out of 136 cardinals were appointed by Francis. We’ll be lucky to get a pope who says mass.

No doubt, it's a slow motion train wreck. The Albany NY church (capital of NY) is in bankruptcy, selling properties to hang on a few more years, the end is inevitable without significant change.

23 posted on 04/21/2025 8:10:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: MtnClimber
Maybe a new Pope can reverse the effects of the leftist “color revolution” that happened in the Catholic Church.

The similarities between the College of Cardinals and Church Magisterium and secular institutions like Supreme Courts, Senates, House of Lords, can be striking. And that includes politics and conflicts over political / ideological views.

The Pope appoints Cardinals, and they go on to choose his successor. Since Benedict was removed in a quiet coup, I believe that the Vatican has been radically transformed by Neo-Marxism.

24 posted on 04/21/2025 8:10:49 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Responsibility2nd

Not the African Cardinals. They are VERY conservative.

One of them is Robert Cardinal Sarah from Guinea, but he is 80 years old.

I hope one of them—younger, but as strongly faithful—is made the new Pope!


25 posted on 04/21/2025 8:11:45 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: arthurus

What Biden did to the USA is identical to what Francis has done to the Church.


26 posted on 04/21/2025 8:11:50 AM PDT by chopperk (airhiger)
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To: 1Old Pro

It is and saddens me. I really loved being Catholic as a kid. Felt so special, but today? I’m of course still Catholic, but it has ruined my love for it.


27 posted on 04/21/2025 8:11:57 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: MtnClimber

No, the liberals are too entrenched in the church. If a conservative is chosen he won’t last long.


28 posted on 04/21/2025 8:12:02 AM PDT by Ronald77
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To: 1Old Pro

That is how I read it too.
It is going to take decades to undo the damage


29 posted on 04/21/2025 8:12:05 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Az Joe

Well, you could also argue that Trump appointed Gorsuch, Kavanagh and Coney Barrett to the SCOTUS, too.


30 posted on 04/21/2025 8:12:53 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Repeal the Patriot Act; Abolish the DHS; reform FBI top to bottom!)
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To: MtnClimber

I think just the opposite - but I hope I’m wrong.


31 posted on 04/21/2025 8:13:28 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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To: MtnClimber

Never forget: the cardinals elect the pope,
And Pope Francis has appointed most of the currently active cardinals.

Being a leftist, I’m sure the ones he appointed align with his views.


32 posted on 04/21/2025 8:13:55 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Either you will rule. Or you will be ruled. There is no other choice.)
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To: MtnClimber

According to the Express.co.uk (Sorry, I don’t HTML) the top six contenders sor the papacy are:

Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle
Cardinal Pietro Parolin
Cardinal Wim Eijk
Cardinal Fridolin Ambongo Besungu
Cardinal Peter Erdo
Cardinal Raymond Burke: An arch-conservative American


33 posted on 04/21/2025 8:14:57 AM PDT by Jaded (I'll take "How Stupid Are People" for $1000, Alex. Look! It's a Daily Double.)
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To: chopperk

There are certain similarities in that. One feature is not so much an analogue but more an identity. That is the progressive attacks on Christianity.


34 posted on 04/21/2025 8:16:36 AM PDT by arthurus (covfefe ?^v)
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To: Uncle Miltie

“As of April 2025, approximately 80% of the cardinals eligible to vote in a papal conclave were appointed by Pope Francis
Wikipedia”

So the next one will almost certainly be worse.


35 posted on 04/21/2025 8:17:02 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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To: napscoordinator

“I still say it the way I was taught through twelve years of Catholic school.”

Dropping Latin was a travesty.


36 posted on 04/21/2025 8:17:04 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: 1Old Pro
I would love for the RCC to have the same kind of great awakening that I see slowly happening among Protestants in the U.S. The hedonism pushing Protestant "churches" have lost tons of churchgoers. The United Methodists have lost entire local churches, who switched from the hedonism of the UMC to join the more Bible centered new Methodist conference. Meanwhile, the nondenominational church attendance is rising. Even though us Protestants still believe that we're saved by grace and not works, we're going back to believing that we're called to honor God with good works. Just like in past great awakenings.

Will the RCC do the same? I hope so. But I fear beliefs like papal supremacy and apostolic secession make it harder for the good minded Catholics to tell their worldly pushing leaders to pound sand.

37 posted on 04/21/2025 8:18:26 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: MtnClimber

We want to paint everything with an either liberal or conservative paint brush because it makes it easier to fit into our world views but it is lazy thinking.

In the Christian realm there are heresies

A heresy is a belief or doctrine that is considered to be false or erroneous by one or more Christian denominations, i.e. what is believed to be contrary to the teaching of Christianity.

In every generation since Christ, there have been many heresies. Most are just the same old same old repackaged.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies


38 posted on 04/21/2025 8:18:55 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Organic Panic

Truth


39 posted on 04/21/2025 8:19:00 AM PDT by Salamander (Please visit my profile page to help me go home again. https://www.givesendgo.com/GCRRD)
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To: MtnClimber
Vance is not a Latin mass traditionalist, and to my knowledge has not involved himself in theological controversies within Catholicism. But he is a Millennial convert drawn to Catholicism by its mind as well as its heart, and by its deep intellectual roots.

What about all those thousands and thousands of simple illiterate peasants who made up so much of the Catholic Church over the centuries? They don't count. Anyone drawn to their piety and simplicity is out of luck, because all the potential converts will here from their conversion attempts is rationalism, intellectualism, and philosophy.

As Pascal said, the "gxd" of Catholicism is the "gxd" of the philosophers, not the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

I believe Vance is a "theistic evolutionist" as well. That's kinda the first requirement.

40 posted on 04/21/2025 8:20:50 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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