Posted on 04/15/2025 10:13:23 AM PDT by Rev M. Bresciani
All with this commie pope’s blessing.
There culture and people are dangerous.
I’ve been to China. This article isn’t true. There is actually less religious persecution against Christians in China than in the UK.
Furthur proof the “secret rapture out of a time of trouble” is nonsense.
How come God isn’t rapturing these Christians in China home before their time of trouble. The evangelicals of today have bought the nonsense of a secret rapture because they want the crown without the cross.
The Martyrs were burned at the stake, Christians eaten by beasts in rome, Apostles beheaded, .......but today, thanks to dispensationalism, which also does away with the Sabbath because it’s “law”.........today in America, the evangelicals think they are so special, they will be raptured home before the fireworks start.
It’s such weak theology these days.......it’s hard to believe.
Christians in China need prayer as do Christians all around the world. They aren’t being raptured home.....they are being killed.
Thank you. You’re right. And there are numerous churches, mosques, temples, and synagogues in China, at least in major cities. Yes, they operate under some restriction. But no one will be arrested for silently praying on a sidewalk.
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Apparently you don’t want to just tell us.
So what’s the deal in China? China is officially communist and totalitarian. Communism is atheistic. Does China not persecute religious faith and people practicing their faith? I heard a talk show host a while back talk of organizations smuggling Bibles into China. Is this a thing, or can you openly distribute Bibles in China? What restrictions are there on religion in China?
I respectfully disagree. I don't think that's because of different eschatological beliefs. I think that's because in the west we don't face real persecution (though the left does seem to be tightening the screws on us a little tighter, then a little tighter, etc.). Having it too easy can lead to a sense of complacency, whether it's spiritual complacency or otherwise.
For example, the early church was heavily persecuted by Rome. Yet many of them believed that Jesus would return before it got really bad. And they, for the most part, didn't just sit on their laurels and wait for Jesus to rescue them. They met underground, while still telling people about Him. Thus, their belief in “secret rapture out of a time of trouble” (as you put it), didn't slow them down in living it like they mean it in hard times.
By they way, I, like you, am not all in on the pre-tribulation nor dispensation rapture belief. I'm open to them being a possibility, but it's not what I'd bet on if I had to pick the most plausible end time scenario.
What in this article isn't true? You seem very naive. While there have been much more intense episodes of persecution in the past, Christianity remains heavily censored and suppressed, and political control over anything Christians openly say or do remains strong.
Bitter Winter routinely documents persecution of Christians and other religions in China. The Chinese government continues to persecute and imprison Christian leaders.
The harassment of European Christians and the institutional censorship, harassment and repression they face is very serious, but it does not rise to the level of the Chinese experience.
Yeah, you’ve been to the whole of China. Every square inch and seen it all.
Have you ever been to China, much less attended a church in China? I have. If you had you’d the article is simply hogwash.
So no, I personally haven't been to China, but I am rather more involved and familiar with things than the average commenter. My own focus has been more on Cuba and Central America, though I'm also deeply interested in Burma, serve on the board of a Pakistani Christian ministry, and have been approached about helping lead an Indian Christian ministry. (The latter are both in Punjab, which would put me in a situation similar to being a board member in ministries on both sides of the front line in Ukraine.)
Again, you denounce the article but without offering one iota of evidence. I could pile on with more evidence of this point, about the thousands of steeples the Chinese authorities have pulled down, the churches bulldozed and destroyed, the effort to replace Bibles with corrupted communist versions, the repression of house churches and so on. The existence of tame "model" churches and mosques and so on for show that are allowed by authorities are not a legitimate expression of freedom of religion in China. The Chinese communist party is fundamentally religious in nature, and cannot afford and does not tolerate serious competition.
China is in the top 20 on the World Watch List of countries with relig1uos persecution. UK is not in the top 20. They may be 21st though.
“smuggling Bibles into China “
You can buy a Bible in almost ANY bookstore in China. There is LITERALLY NO REASON to smuggle them in. If your organization had rather than smuggling Bibles, arranged with Three-Self Churches, you could have bought them locally and not have had a problem. I know I’ve done it. I have a friend who came to Christ by checking out a Bible from the library at the University of Beijing. Anyone in China who wants a Bible can easily purchase one.
The issue is actually that it is illegal to take ANY foreign publication into China. They’d have faced the same issues taking copies of The South China Morning Post. Personal experience: I tried to ship a complete set of Nancy Drew mysteries to a friend’s daughter in Chengdu. What could be more innocuous? They were confiscated by Chinese customs. Just be glad your friends weren’t taking political or News magazines in.
Point of Fact: I was a tentmaker missionary working in schools and education in China and lived in China and Hong Kong for 25 years. I have a university degree from a Chinese University. I know firsthand how the censorship in the PRC works. I was there. It is pervasive, present, and easily and widely worked around by many people.
China is not a free country. But it is freer than the UK, and in many ways as free as the US.
This tracks very accurately with the experience of my stepdaughter's uncle. His Japanese company contracted with a company in China for product manufacturing. Over a 30-year career he traveled to China hundreds of times and underscored to us in a conversation that he had to be wary of what was brought into China regarding books, magazines, etc. BUT he was on occasion "allowed" to bring Japanese published items to read. But very, very rarely.
‘political control over anything Christians openly say or do remains strong’
political control over anything CHINESE openly say or do remains strong.
There, corrected.
Now, stop the hysteria.
Censorship is definitely there. For example, last month, when we were in China for family issues, I couldn’t access Free Republic through my tablet, and my free VPN wouldn’t connect. But I could see anything on the phone with a US number.
Google doesn’t work in China, neither do other non-Baidu search engines that I’ve tried.
I even had issues connecting to MLB.com to get baseball scores.
We went to a vegetarian buffet, and saffron-robed Buddhist monks were there chowing down.
The churches have websites that advertise service times. Which is not to say that there are no restrictions on religion. There are. It just isn’t as draconian as is often presented in the US.
“BUT he was on occasion “allowed” to bring Japanese published items to read. But very, very rarely.”
My stepdaughter’s uncle said one time the Custom’s Officer took a copy of Shūkan Bunshun - he let the other magazines through (haha). He obviously? could read kanji and it sounded like there was an “arrangement” of sorts for some Chinese Customs officials and some more frequent travelers.
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