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The dead in upstate New York plane crash included 2022 NCAA woman of the year and family members
ny post ^ | : Apr 13, 2025 | JAKE OFFENHARTZ

Posted on 04/13/2025 4:41:38 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: Thank You Rush

I doubt the pilot was just a “private” pilot - no doubt a Commercial rated pilot if he was hired for the flight and probably IFR rated..


Doesn’t matter. 250 hour or whatever part time “commercial pilot” isn’t suitable to fly a hot bird like that. Too bad he took his family with him.


21 posted on 04/13/2025 6:32:23 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: BenLurkin
Re: Photo in Post 3. That doesn't look like a Mitsubishi MU-2B which has complex landing gear that folds up inside.

The plane in that photo looks like it has wheel spats and fixed landing gear.



22 posted on 04/13/2025 7:13:16 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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ifr rated but not ifr competent in that hot bird. It is most evident he didn’t follow the missed approach procedures on his approach chart.

When I was still flying I oten flew down to minimums and on occasion could not see the approach lights. I then executed the missed approach procedure and asked ATC for vectors to another airport. I suspect he was flying a aircraft beyond his capabilites in ifr conditions

When I knew I would be flying down to close minimums I always payed close attention to the missed approach procedure


23 posted on 04/13/2025 8:39:07 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: lodi90

This looks like another doctor (neuroscientist) with a plane he could afford, but he didn’t fly well.


24 posted on 04/13/2025 8:51:40 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: cpdiii
The site at the link describes the pilot radioing the tower at Columbia County Airport saying he missed the initial approach, not the final approach, and as such should still have been at altitude and not having ATC trying to warn him about low altitude.

The news story may have it wrong and it wasn't the initial approach that he missed but the final approach, but even then he should have been at altitude, not flying into terrain.

25 posted on 04/13/2025 8:57:30 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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It is just a singular “missed approach”...more info. on the flight/plane:

https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/81210_1596905918.jpg

https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/497772

NTSB briefing video:
https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Pages/WPR25MA128.aspx

Track:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n635ta#39dd75e6


26 posted on 04/13/2025 9:19:47 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago
Thanks for the flightradar24. If you compare his track to the instrument approach, he was too far north when he started his turn to 300 degrees to head west to line up the initial approach.

https://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/2503/06204R3.PDF

27 posted on 04/13/2025 10:33:54 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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You can see on the IFR chart that for a missed approach, he should have continued straight on vector 3, climbed to 3,200 feet, and flown directly to the hold 4 miles north. Instead he turned East and when attempting to circle back south to set up another approach, flew into terrain.


28 posted on 04/13/2025 10:46:23 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: lodi90
That’s a lot of airplane for a private pilot.

Is it? I'm no plane expert, but it looks fairly small. And not even a jet.

29 posted on 04/14/2025 1:13:16 AM PDT by Angelino97
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The news story may have it wrong and it wasn't the initial approach that he missed but the final approach,

I learned something new. I didn't know there was an "initial approach" before a "final approach." I thought you just aimed for the landing strip and descended upon it. That unless you aborted for some reason, there was usually only one approach.

30 posted on 04/14/2025 1:20:59 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: BenLurkin

James Santoro was a star lacrosse player at Delbarton, NJ and at MIT


31 posted on 04/14/2025 3:58:03 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business )
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To: Thank You Rush

Out of the people listed as deceased in the accident, which one was the pilot? We can then do a FAA Airman Database search to determine if they were private, commercial, or ATP.


32 posted on 04/14/2025 2:00:38 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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To: BenLurkin

FWIW...

https://mu-2aircraft.com/index.php?action=notices

Check out the second one, from January, in case it should prove germane.


33 posted on 04/14/2025 2:04:56 PM PDT by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

Dr. Michael Goff was an ‘experienced’ pilot.


34 posted on 04/14/2025 2:26:30 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737

The link says the plane was owned by Dr. Michael Groff.


35 posted on 04/14/2025 2:30:45 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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I found a Michael Ira Groff who is a Commercial pilot who opted out of releasing his address.

I found a Michael Willem Groff who is a Commercial pilot, both fixed wing and helicopter, who lives in Massachusetts.


36 posted on 04/14/2025 6:03:21 PM PDT by CFIIIMEIATP737
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Doubtful this Michael Groff had a second job:

https://www.rochesterregional.org/hub/michael-groff-passing

...Rochester Regional Health is deeply saddened to confirm the death of Michael Groff, MD, Executive Medical Director of Neurosciences, who passed away as a result of a plane crash that occurred on Saturday, April 12, in Columbia County, New York...


37 posted on 04/14/2025 6:09:58 PM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Angelino97

**I’m no plane expert, but it looks fairly small. And not even a jet**

To be very brief, the MU2 was made to be among the fastest turboprops of its day. To do that, among other things, it was built with small wings.

That means it has to fly a faster maneuvering speed than other twin engine turboprops when in airport patterns.

I fear overconfidence was the primary problem in this tragedy.


38 posted on 04/14/2025 6:43:31 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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