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To: A Navy Vet

“If President Trump sends in Delta and Seals, we have a long haul but eventually will break the back of the Cartels.”

Nope. It would take WAY more than that. Cartels have around 170-180k soldiers. That is roughly the size of the Viet Cong in any given year, and they cover a nation 6 times the size of Vietnam. And don’t kid yourself, they are tough, well trained and armed and are probably the most brutal enemy on earth at the moment. They have massive funding. They have huge well funded and very techy geek intelligence units with young kids that you would never look at and think “cartel”.

It would be a long hard war and would not be successful without a large conventional commitment. One, the US Border would need to be sealed, not border patrol sealed, but hundreds of thousands of US soldiers sealed. That because a war in Mexico would launch a refugee wave that would dwarf this last one.
And the enemy is all over here in the USA. Wait till McP’s SEAL bar gets bombed some night, or completely unrelated civilian places shot up. Yeah, they have MANPADS, and they will bring down airliners. You’ll see US mayors, military leaders off base, military dependents etc kidnapped, beheaded, hanged from overpasses, etc.

People see SF/SEAL movies and think of course our 3000 shooters can wipe out a force of 170k.

The only hope is a large conventional force, and a partnership with the Mexican government that the people down there lose their fear and start to think we are there to actually save that society from the cartels. Then we might hit a tipping point that the locals might support us.

It might be worth it, but some half assed SF only approach would just make a bigger mess.

El Chapo Guzman is in the Supermax prison in Colorado right now. Sinaloa didn’t slow down a bit.

BTW, no anti-cartel war is real if we do not see Patel’s FBI and accountants marching into 3 or 4 banks at 8am some morning with warrants and seizure orders. Wells Fargo, B of A, HSBC, etc... Then we’ll know it’s real.


45 posted on 02/17/2025 4:17:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: DesertRhino

I think you’re way off.


46 posted on 02/17/2025 5:07:31 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: DesertRhino

You and your Vietnam comparison, you need to go back and refresh yourself on North Vietnam, the USSR, Red China, and the Southeast Asian situation in the Cold War post WWII.

The cartels are not the North Vietnamese Army Navy, and Air Force in a country that we would not invade and allied with China and Russia.

This is about a country on our border and that nation’s military and ours taking it to criminal cartels within its borders and among its people who are unsympathetic to the crime gangs. Isolating Mexican crime gangs with the Mexican government can be messy but it sure won’t be a Vietnam war.


47 posted on 02/17/2025 5:10:18 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: DesertRhino

***People see SF/SEAL movies and think of course our 3000 shooters can wipe out a force of 170k.***

What I’m reading is that we are training the Mexican armed forces, where are you getting that we are sending down a small group of guys to take on the Cartels?

Also which cartel has the 170,000 man army and all that an army needs on the battlefield, if real armed forces crack down on them at their hideout?


49 posted on 02/17/2025 5:18:45 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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