Posted on 02/03/2025 6:36:50 PM PST by Red Badger
“Of course I know full well what a “shade” is.”
You posted: “Violet is a shade of PURPLE”.
Perhaps you can look up the definition of shade (of color) and explain how you get violet starting with purple.
“which to my way of thinking is fundamental to the argument you guys were having about color combinations.”
Where you came in was a side issue that came up when he said the examples in the article were not purples.
The real issue was he was discounting the science in the article when he had no knowledge of the science.
I didn’t take offense but you replied to me and cc’d nopardons.
That indicated to me you felt the need to educate me so I was curious as to why.
“Looks like someone plagiarized a paper from Wikipedia, and wiki is usually wrong.”
Wrong.
Thanks!
“Pink-toed dawn” seems more evocative than the much more recent “Popsicle Toes”.
Sorry waiter I asked for purple peas, not purple pea pods!
Surely there is somewhere I can get purple peas please.
You may see it, but stare at it long enough and you begin to wonder ...
But then there's this ...
And -- horror of horrors! -- this ...
I guess it's like music. It would make so much sense if there were always a whole step between all the different notes, but God or nature didn't want it that way.
Since you claimed that I don't know what the word "shade" means ( which I do and you don't),why don't you look it up?Because IF I write how to do it, you'll just tell me that I'm wrong. So here's what to do: 1)first look up color wheel 2)then look up secondary colors 3) followed by tertiary colors, the latter being what violet is, and you'll know at least one method of how to do it. But truthfully, you had best look up TWO different color wheels, one using "warm" colors and one using "cool" colors. A third wheel, should you care for even more ways, would be a mixed warm and cool colors color wheel.
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“Since you claimed that I don’t know what the word “shade” means ( which I do and you don’t),why don’t you look it up?Because IF I write how to do it, you’ll just tell me that I’m wrong”
A color shade is obtained by adding black. The hue remains the same.
You posted that violet was a shade of purple.
Violet and purple are not the same hue.
Every single color is either a primary, secondary, or tertiary color. Within each color, there are different degrees of saturation ( how vivid or pale it can be ) many of which have a different or two color inclusive names.
There is a cadmium red, cadmium red light, cadmium medium red, etc', each of which becomes a different shade of the color depending upon the amount or lack thereof, of color saturation, which then becomes A SHADE OF THAT COLOR and sometimes then has a different or multiple names.
Then there are such colors as Phylo Blue, Phylo Blue GREEN SHADE, and Phylo Bule RED SHADE, for further examples.
You actually misused the word "HUE". "Family" might be a better term; however that word isn't quite right either, but will do.
Violet, lavender, and purple are members of the same "family". SOME ARE "WARM COLORS, SOME ARE "COOL" COLORS; however, they are distinct colors, have their own names, while still being a "shade" of another/secondary color.
And BLACK is NOT added to darken all colors, it isn't used that way at all; not ever!
“You actually misused the word “HUE”. “
I used it correctly.
“And BLACK is NOT added to darken all colors, it isn’t used that way at all; not ever!”
Black is added to make different shades of a color. A COLOR. The color doesn’t.
Ergo, violet is not a shade of purple as you stated.
There are many different shades and values of the primary color that we call RED: Cadmium Red ( light, medium, and deep ), Scarlet, Carmine, Quinacridone Rose, Alizerin Crimson, Vermilion, and Opera Rose, to name but a few.They're ALL reds, but they're also all different.
Pick one of these and one of MANY different blues, mix together and you WILL get many different and distinct shades of purple.
You can do the same thing with yellow and blue and wind up with many multiples of the color green....all of which have their own distinctive names and shades.
Adding Chinese or Opaque white and you get a so-so pastel, which you can get a much better/cleaner result by just adding more and more water to the original color. OTOH...Buff Titanium, added to a color, WILL give you a better than white added shade.
Color theory is somewhat complicated, I DID attempt to make this easily understood and I hope all of it has helped you to finally "get it".
Perhaps black is used re printing/computer things, but from the beginnings of mankind drawing/painting, it hasn't! And so, mankind has seen these colors SANS black being added for millennia!
And you are still, stubbornly, misusing the word "HUE"!
“BLACK IS NEVER, NOT EVER, ADDED TO A COLOR TO DARKEN IT”
Black is added to a color to produce a darker shade of the SAME color.
“SHADES
A Shade is simply any color with black added.”
https://studioq.myportfolio.com/color-theory
“There are many different shades and values of the primary color that we call RED: Cadmium Red ( light, medium, and deep ), Scarlet, Carmine, Quinacridone Rose, Alizerin Crimson, Vermilion, and Opera Rose, to name but a few.They’re ALL reds, but they’re also all different.”
A shade of a color is the SAME color. It is just darker due to the addition of black.
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Part of the problem here is when we use words loosely. For example, I don’t really know what you mean by shade.
Technically a shade is a colour produced when mixed a pure colour with black.
But some people use shade as a synonym for colour. And some people use shade as a synonym for hue. And some people use hue as a synonym for colour.
But, in short, when we mix two colours we don’t only get one colour, we get a range of colours depending on the proportion in which we mix the two colours.
If you did, then the vast majority of what I posted is repeated on there! So.....you're using a nobody I've never heard of ( not that's I've heard of EVERY single artist world wide, for millennia ) who states what I stated, EXCEPT for the black to make colors darker. LOL
I am NOT tech savvy at all, so can't do links, but I can give you at least 30 different artists, on line, who ALL disavow adding black to darken ANY and ALL colors! And most of them are professional painters, who have been earning their living, doing many different kinds of art ( cards, invitations, paintings, portraits, book illustrations ) for far longer than they've been on YouTube.
I have been painting almost my entire life and yes, I did have classes in watercolor, sculpting, and oils. And adding black to darken a color, has ALWAYS been a NO NO, from every single source I have learned from; starting from when I was 6 years old!
There ARE many other ways to "darken" a color!
Okay, here's a VERY simple question for YOU to answer, anyway that you are able to: WHAT SPECIFIC COLOR OR ITEM, WOULD BE USED TO MAKE PALE PINK? And do bear in mind that PINK is a shade/value of a different color.
“I am NOT tech savvy at all, so can’t do links, but I can give you at least 30 different artists, on line, who ALL disavow adding black to darken ANY and ALL colors!”
That is because black pigments are not true black.
You have to compensate for that in your mixing.
But that still doesn’t change the technical definition of shade.
Ergo, violet is not a shade of purple.
“I am NOT tech savvy at all, so can’t do links, but I can give you at least 30 different artists, on line, who ALL disavow adding black to darken ANY and ALL colors!”
And for each I can give you one that swears to using black.
“Okay, here’s a VERY simple question for YOU to answer, anyway that you are able to: WHAT SPECIFIC COLOR OR ITEM, WOULD BE USED TO MAKE PALE PINK? And do bear in mind that PINK is a shade/value of a different color.”
Pink is a red tint. Tints are made by adding white to to a color.
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