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Windows 10's demise nears, but Linux is forever
The Register ^ | 28 January 2025 | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

Posted on 01/28/2025 10:52:19 AM PST by ShadowAce

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To: Openurmind
OK, I don’t care what it says, I found it in mine. I went to that options in layout and there are two settings to look at. “Caps lock behavior” and “Control Position”. “Control position” also has numerous options and one is “Caps Lock as Control, Control as Hyper” and the one just below it is “Caps lock as control” alone. And in “caps lock behavior” there is an option for “caps lock ALSO as control”. Actually both have some really cool options available besides these.

Thanks for referring to under "Options" on the bottom of Layout where you find remap to ctrl option, however, you did not find the option to remap to ctrl+c, which is the issue, and retain that past sessions. That "really cool" (showing our age) option is what is missing.

Ace’s was in a different location than mine. His was >Input devices->keyboard->Advanced tab->Configure Keyboard options. But they are there somewhere, just have to dig around.

Cannot find it myself, while eve he found it would not persist past sessions.

I think we are asking the wrong search question. “Control position” are probably the correct keywords for these options. That is where mine was. Did you get Mint “Cinnamon”? This is why I suggested it, so that I can help find stuff for you on my end.

Yes, Mint 22.1, as said. “Control position” is not ctrl+c. Failing that, maybe remap F1 to ctrl+c, and F2 to ctrl+v. In Windows, I remapped F1 to ctrl+F, since Firefox etc. somehow thinks that people show not want to see the Find bar open for every tab - as if no one would be searching for the same thing on many pages (some browsers even delete your last search term when searching again, as well as not providing a separate search bar).

you hit the “win” key (Super) it will open and close your menu and it can be navigated with the arrow keys. Up, down, left, right as a selector instead of needing your mouse.

Thanks, and Windows offers the like, but that is not what I need.

181 posted on 02/06/2025 7:17:07 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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All I can say my friend is that you want Linux to be windows. You are wanting the new spouse to be exactly like the old spouse without the bad baggage she had.

That is not going to happen. So your options are compromise with the new spouse, or abstain completely. Some sacrifices just have to be made sometimes.

I also had to when I switched to Linux. But it was well worth it in the long run. Me and the new spouse are much happier together than I was with the nasty old spouse.


182 posted on 02/06/2025 7:29:32 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: ShadowAce

I was pleased with Windows 10 on my HP tablet. When I got too many reminders that my tablet was capable of handling Windows 11, I downloaded it. But the tablet was too small with only 4 GB of RAM, and the memory was insufficient to handle Windows 11 - it was too slow and useless. Microsoft should have recognized the tablet to have low RAM, and that tablet’s hardware could not be upgraded. I switched back to Windows 10.

Since then, I got an older refurbished HP notebook, with 16 GB of RAM and much faster. But the notebook’s hardware was not designed for Windows 11 - I could not upgrade it. Fortunately, Microsoft stopped sending reminders to upgrade to Win 11, probably because they knew my system could not handle it. And I’m happy with Win 10.


183 posted on 02/06/2025 7:55:22 AM PST by Deaf and Discerning
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To: Openurmind
All I can say my friend is that you want Linux to be windows. You are wanting the new spouse to be exactly like the old spouse without the bad baggage she had. That is not going to happen. So your options are compromise with the new spouse, or abstain completely. Some sacrifices just have to be made sometimes. I also had to when I switched to Linux. But it was well worth it in the long run. Me and the new spouse are much happier together than I was with the nasty old spouse.

Actually, it is more like a class of somewhat cumbersome utility trucks that have had the largest share of the market for decades, and thus compatibility problems with parts has become relatively rare. In addition, there are basically only about 2 or 3 versions of this utility truck brand in popular use, and thus fixes usually are commonly applicable, and with free support shops being numerous.

Most of the drivers of this brand have known nothing else, and seem to be content with basic and use of it. However, for those who seek more then there is a wealth of safe, free reputable customization and enhancements apps that enable greater speed and efficiency and improved appearance (with even over 200 tweaks from one source alone) for all modern versions. And which sources include restorative means (developed by a class if intrepid mechanics) to recover lost functions that the manufacturer seems to deem as superfluous, since few users even cared about them.

However, this brand of f utility trucks cost money - at least initially - and which is for the license to use and drive its vehicle, for all the hardware depends upon the complex "mind" that the manufacturer continually develops. In addition, like certain other actors, it seeks to make money off "non-personalized" info on our driving habits and locations which it sells, unless the driver knows and cares to prevent this.

Moreover, unlike safe drivers, and those who are intent on keeping an eye on things and tweak settings, and who operate wisely, many or most drivers of this brand have minimal knowledge of the mechanics of the vehicle and the infrastructure it is part of, and many engage in careless unsafe behaviors, going to shady places, picking up bad characters, and installing up bad parts, carelessly accepting enticing offers, etc., which in turn, results in the vehicle being misused. For this brand of utility truck is the most targeted by those who seek to hijack it, which is much due to being the most used brand. In addition, programs of varying quality and security abound.

This in turn results in endless "updates" from the manufacturer, and which the driver is required to install, at least eventually (though as yet, the manufacturer does not penalize the private unlicensed installer and user aside from some feature updates and lack of some personalization).

Then there is another brand of utility truck which is more costly, and very restrictive on compatible component parts, but which is supported well by its manufacturer, and provides stable performance, and has a devoted and typically informed user base (often professionals) which consider it superior to the competition.

Then there is a brand of utility trucks compromised of a vast number of variations, and which appeal to users who usually have experience with the other manufacturers, are more informed as well as security-conscious, and home users usually seek independence from corporate ties.

Aside from basic use, it requires more knowledge to use, but which means the user is better informed than the typical driver of the predominant brand of truck, and more security conscious, and thus typed user input is required for many actions. All of which renders the likelihood of picking up bad characters and malevolent use of the truck by such to be very rare (though this is different among certain mobile gadgets that are somewhat related).

Many Linux promoters even being driven by an animus against the manufacturer of the major brand of truck, sometimes even against quests to conform their chosen to their nemesis, and such can exhibit almost cultic devotion. Users have many forums to ask questions on, though they often presume a new user has more knowledge than they actually have (no even knowing what a "terminal" us). Programs that are truly comparative to what are available for the major brands are not as abundant and easy to find and install, but it is a more secure system, though the learning curve is greater.

Moreover, the user is the owner, not just a licensee, and does not spy on the user.

As for me, I am not driven by an animus against MS though I object to many things it does, yet so far users as me who seek maximum speed and efficiency have largely been able to overcome them, as well as easily tweak Windows extensively to their liking, which s this past two weeks has exampled, take much time, if even possible. Meaning contrary to a lot of advocations, I myself have not found Linux a sufficient replacement for my customized Windows, yet which opinion seems intolerable for so many Linux promoters, which seems to me to be non-objective devotion. My favote Linux and Windows reviewer is https://www.dedoimedo.com.

However, i am attracted to Linux, and hope to continue to experiment while I have time and energy.

And thanks for your help.

184 posted on 02/07/2025 9:52:46 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

“Many Linux promoters even being driven by an animus against the manufacturer of the major brand of truck, sometimes even against quests to conform their chosen to their nemesis, and such can exhibit almost cultic devotion.”

You are absolutely right! It is cultism without a doubt! And I for one am proud to be part of it! There is personal integrity in it!

It is a cult of individualism, independence, and nonconformity. It is a cult of refusing to be “trained” and “extorted” into being a uniform robot slave by arrogant greedy Corporations, AND NOT JUST MS. It is a cult of wanting to actually own what you paid for as your own private property. It is a cult of actually finding priceless value in privacy and security. It is a cult of OWNING ONE’S SELF above all.

It is a cult of self ownership, freedom, and common sense independence no matter what the sacrifice. Us Cultists will never allow ourselves to be owned and made fool of by an Operating System on a computer. Especially one that never improves user experience and freedom, one that instead perpetually degrades user experience and enslaves them. It is a cult of refusing to be scammed out of our own personal integrity...


185 posted on 02/07/2025 12:05:09 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind
It is a cult of individualism, independence, and nonconformity. It is a cult of refusing to be “trained” and “extorted” into being a uniform robot slave by arrogant greedy Corporations, AND NOT JUST MS. It is a cult of wanting to actually own what you paid for as your own private property. It is a cult of actually finding priceless value in privacy and security. It is a cult of OWNING ONE’S SELF above all. It is a cult of self ownership, freedom, and common sense independence no matter what the sacrifice. Us Cultists will never allow ourselves to be owned and made fool of by an Operating System on a computer. Especially one that never improves user experience and freedom, one that instead perpetually degrades user experience and enslaves them. It is a cult of refusing to be scammed out of our own personal integrity...

Thank you for your "objectively." But rather than freedom, I see advocates who cannot tolerate the idea that one can find a OS you initially pay for, however little, as superior to that of their group as relates to desired customization, relative to their time and ability. And be free to freely obtain it. And thus they denigrate those who dissent from what the "sect" advocates.

So you have a free truck (of a brand I also have and used), and I long ago purchased a different brand of. Both have free upgrades. But mine allows me to easily and rather quickly engage in the scope and degree of customization I find provides far more efficiency, for free, and with the OS showing itself to be secure in my experience as a single user.

But which scope and degree of easy customization I have not found close to being able to achieve with my free model, and even if able, it would take a lot of valuable time which I do not find warranted.

Meanwhile, I do not and need not pay MS for anything for what I find to be the best OS for me, and do not have to use it. Moreover, I can tinker with Linux as I find time, freedom and energy to do so, as the Lord leads. Maybe one day a true AutoHotKey equivalent will maker that easier.

That freedom of choice is freedom.

For this honest report I can be derided by some members of the Linux club, who basically censure such reports, and denigrate as being a slave due to my freedom, as they basically demand I submit to their party, which would actually take away much freedom I currently have. Nor do I want to be enslaved by the spirit of such a demanding sect, which promises liberty, unless you dissent.

186 posted on 02/07/2025 2:53:21 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

“For this honest report I can be derided by some members of the Linux club, who basically censure such reports, and denigrate as being a slave due to my freedom, as they basically demand I submit to their party, which would actually take away much freedom I currently have. Nor do I want to be enslaved by the spirit of such a demanding sect, which promises liberty, unless you dissent.”

Wanting freedom and self dignity is a demanding sect? Really? Like wanting a Free Republic? You can do what you like and go without a computer if you want. You asked for help and because Linux users love volunteering to help and they go out of their way to do that. I was just explaining that the reason folks go to linux is because they refuse to get on their knees and throw away their own self dignity to a corporation who doesn’t even appreciate their own customers. Like King George. There is a line where it is no longer them doing it to you, it is you doing it to yourself. And that is just the fact of the real situation. There is going to be a whole lot of crying around here soon and it will be no ones fault but their own. They are going to wait until the last minute and get caught with their pants down.

And you know what? The Linux guys will still go out of their way to help anyway. We actually do care that folks have an alternative to keep them in the game... But no one is twisting your arm, and we sure don’t care if you choose not to, that is all on you if you want to stay in the game or not.

And I don’t care about free. I care about the direction they went after Win7. Up until after Win 7 they let it be >YOURS<. After that they started becoming oppressive and spitting out garbage and forcing us to swallow it that garbage whether we liked it or not. And now it is coming to a point where it is not even an Operating System. It will soon be nothing but an interface to access the internet based OS with a paid subscription. May as well just have a tablet and an add on keyboard and ditch MS altogether. No need for a desktop or laptop computer or MS at all at that point.

MS is going to implode their own market and take everyone down with them... If you would rather go down with them fine... Not my loss...


187 posted on 02/07/2025 3:45:38 PM PST by Openurmind
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To: Openurmind
I was just explaining that the reason folks go to linux is because they refuse to get on their knees and throw away their own self dignity to a corporation who doesn’t even appreciate their own customers

Which is called a "strawman." Rather than being "on my knees and throwing away my own self dignity to a corporation who doesn’t even appreciate their own customers," I use and customize Windows more freely than I can or ever have with your alternative, and I appreciate my freedom, which includes changing Windows to function like i can only wish Linux would.

Like King George. ... There is a line where it is no longer them doing it to you, it is you doing it to yourself.

Please. What I am doing to myself is using the freedom I do not found in any OS of your sect, at less cost in time than Windows. And America used a lot that came from Britain. You rants do not help your cause.

And you know what? The Linux guys will still go out of their way to help anyway.

After many posts looking for help, I have found that a rarity as for actual solutions, apart from maybe one or two "try this" post. Thanks for trying yourself and I was working with Mint a few minutes ago. Found out how to enable desktop icons to be moved (which I think should be the default) and the repo of "applets" thus found the "shutdown menu with icons" to put on the taskbar, and a "cinnamenu, a taskbar "start" menu via pop up, with icon size options (which I reduced). Someone is thinking outside the norm. Still a long way to go, but I will continue, by the grace of God.

It will soon be nothing but an interface to access the internet based OS with a paid subscription....MS is going to implode their own market and take everyone down with them... If you would rather go down with them fine... Not my loss...

That is called a "false dilemma, that one either stops using an OS which provides more freedom in ease of desired efficiency, etc., and is costing nothing, and can meanwhile experiment with Linux in case necessity ever requires it, or else they are slaves who throw away their own self dignity. Rather, the third alternative is to do what I am doing now with far more freedom than switching presently would.

188 posted on 02/07/2025 6:43:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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Know what I see in this? I see that it is all about YOU. The average user does not have the user capabilities or even need the capabilities you insist they should have so they can continue to abuse themselves with MS. Just read, nine out of ten want to get rid of MS, they just don’t have the skills to do it. Linux is the ONLY fairly easy way out... It is that or stop using computers altogether. There is no other option.

While Linux folks reach out and try to ease folks suffering you are only worried about YOU and your personal fetishes. And you are not being honest. I can read... Every time a Linux question is asked here EVERYONE using Linux jumps in to help. I have personally helped at least fifty people here switch step by step through PM. I have paid out of my own pocket to make Linux sticks and send them to folks by mail. They have sent me sticks and I load it and send it back. Because I care about THEM.

I have made it a personal crusade to help folks rid themselves of those chains of corporate bondage because I care about humanity. Microsoft does not, they are hell bent on enslaving humanity and YOU are helping them because Linux doesn’t have that one little quirky fetish that other users do not need or even care about. You insist they should stick with windows because of YOUR personal fetishes and deal breakers. They are not you.

When MS drops the hammer we are going to lose a whole lot of folks who just won’t be able to continue with MS. Most are intelligent enough to recognize paying for a subscription to use an OS in the cloud instead of in their computer is just plain stupid. Aside from the fact many of the older folks here can’t even afford it. I personally care about that reality and want to try and help them stay in the game. But you? You are only worried about yourself and ONE key combination. The plight of others is obviously not your concern. To the point you call me an oppressive cultist when it is absolutely the opposite. Know who is oppressive? Microsoft. I am simply giving of myself to help others rid themselves of that oppression. God smiles on this virtue does he not?

Here is the problem with your theory, there is absolutely nothing in it for me, I ask for nothing. In fact some never even appreciated it at all or thanked me which is fine, that is between them and their God. I get zero return for my efforts except a smile when someone does thank me for helping them rid themselves of MS. The world does not revolve around just you or I. There is the plight of others out there to consider and helping them is not oppressive cultism... It is selfless, so you are absolutely painting with the wrong color brush... I would like to think God would approve of my selfless volunteerism to help others. But I can only help those who want to help themselves, and if they don’t then that is on them, that is their decision to make. I personally refuse to submit to the oppression and want to retain some self dignity. And so do others but they do not know how.

But I am not going to feel guilty for offering to help them because it is no different than volunteering at the local Senior Citizen’s Center or offering to give someone a ride to the store. Would you consider that oppressive cultism too?


189 posted on 02/08/2025 4:01:18 AM PST by Openurmind
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To: ShadowAce

The web version of Office is barely useable, but thanks for the article. I plan to move an old PC to Linux.


190 posted on 02/08/2025 4:22:51 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Try LibreOffice. It's pretty good and will definitely be enough to cover your basic Office needs.

It reads/writes to MS Office formats also.

191 posted on 02/08/2025 5:33:42 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

Used it back in the day with just my Windows systems. Do you know why they seem to have stopped updating it?


192 posted on 02/08/2025 6:13:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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LibreOffice is still being updated. It’s at version 25.2 now.


193 posted on 02/08/2025 6:17:27 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

But has it kept up with Office?


194 posted on 02/08/2025 6:20:43 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Not sure what you mean.

It can read/write all current Office formats.

195 posted on 02/08/2025 6:45:10 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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To: ShadowAce

Good enough. I really appreciate your posts and answers. (I was thrown off I think by “You’ll find it looks and feels a lot like Office 2003”.)


196 posted on 02/08/2025 6:49:31 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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Well, I recommend you download it and try it out. It's free--they don't even ask for any info.

If you don't like it, you can always delete it and forget about it.

197 posted on 02/08/2025 12:28:39 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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