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Florida cop accidentally shoots driver with his own gun during routine traffic stop
The New York Post ^ | 1/21/2025 | Caitlin McCormack

Posted on 01/22/2025 5:43:06 AM PST by T.B. Yoits

A police department in Florida is moving to fire an officer after she accidentally shot a man with his own gun during a routine traffic stop last month.

Officer Mindy Cardwell was called to assist with a traffic stop on Dec. 13 along with another cop after Jason Arrington, 39, had been pulled over by an officer for running a red light, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office wrote on Facebook.

Arrington was fully cooperating with all three officers, the body camera footage showed. He had informed the cop who originally pulled him over that he did have a gun holstered in his waistband.

After he had exited his car, Cardwell went to remove his firearm, but while she was trying to take the gun, it discharged and Arrington was shot in his upper thigh.

It is unclear if the gun had its safety on or off before Cardwell tried to grab it.

The bullet had gone through his upper thigh and exited at his inner leg, causing an alarming arterial bleed that officers were able to stupor with a tourniquet.

Arrington was transported to a nearby hospital following the accident and is expected to make a full recovery, but filed a lawsuit against the JSO. He is specifically citing his lasting injuries which he says have impeded his ability to work as a crane operator.

An investigation by Internal Affairs found that Cardwell had been incompetent and moved to terminate her.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; donutwatch; driver; florida; glock; incompetent; police; shoots
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To: Skwor
What is to stop that same cop from mishandling the gun and undoing the safety?

Nothing. It's about playing the odds. Give her two things to screw up instead of one.

101 posted on 01/22/2025 3:12:24 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

You absolutely do not touch your firearm once engaged with police, that is insane, engaging the safety at that point is not an option.

The point of conceal carry is to be at the ready, not to have to go through a process before your firearm can be useful.

One can train with a safety of course but as I said it adds to the complexity and possibility of more error.

There is every reason to expect a cop to know better and we need to demand that more than requiring everyone have a safety always engaged anytime a person carries, that is getting into 2A territory.


102 posted on 01/22/2025 3:17:20 PM PST by Skwor
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To: Skwor
There is every reason to expect a cop to know better...

Not anymore - that expectation disappeared with the first DEI hire. They're clearly showing you that there's NO reason to expect a cop to know better. Expecting one to know better could get you shot in the leg and killed.

Justine Damond expected that a cop was trained and properly vetted, and paid for it with her life when DEI hire Mohamed Noor of the Minneapolis Police Department shot her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond

103 posted on 01/22/2025 3:30:53 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

why question the situation from a keyboard?... you look like an idiot...


104 posted on 01/22/2025 3:33:05 PM PST by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁 )
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To: heavy metal
why question the situation from a keyboard?... you look like an idiot...

Idiot, maybe, but without a bullet torn through my leg.

Why question the situation from a keyboard? So I can question it from a keyboard before having to question it in real life.

105 posted on 01/22/2025 3:35:59 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

you’re prematurely ejaculating...


106 posted on 01/22/2025 3:53:51 PM PST by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁 )
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To: T.B. Yoits

I can not disagree with you on that comment, society indeed has lowered what should be the bare min expectations.


107 posted on 01/22/2025 3:58:54 PM PST by Skwor
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To: heavy metal
that's what she said did
108 posted on 01/22/2025 3:59:28 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

go back to your post #1 where you assumed it was a glock...

do you have evidence it was a glock?...


109 posted on 01/22/2025 4:34:54 PM PST by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁 )
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To: heavy metal
It looked like a Glock from the badge cam link in Post 2.

There are other videos and images out there. In this one the mag well, finger grooves, and backstrap pin look like the Glock Gen 4 beavertail backstrap.

https://www.policemag.com/patrol/news/15712821/florida-officer-faces-termination-for-accidentally-shooting-man-with-his-own-gun

110 posted on 01/22/2025 6:03:44 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: heavy metal
From the same link:



111 posted on 01/22/2025 6:05:57 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

It won’t cost the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office one cent. It may cost the Taxpayers of Jacksonville, though. Because it is the Taxpayers that will pay if there is an award.

That is why Officers do not give one shit if they are sued. Because it it the Tax Payers who pay the awards, not the Officers.


112 posted on 01/22/2025 6:16:10 PM PST by sport
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To: T.B. Yoits

It’s a gun. They all go bang when you pull the trigger.


113 posted on 01/22/2025 6:47:50 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum (I’m )
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To: 1malumprohibitum
It’s a gun. They all go bang when you pull the trigger.

...if the safety is off or there is no safety, whether you or someone else pulls the trigger - as in this case.

114 posted on 01/22/2025 7:20:21 PM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: pa_dweller

She clearly messed up, but guy was wearing very baggy pants and a crappy IWB holster. It looks like she was trying to remove the holster and gun together at the same time, but should have just gently removed the pistol from the holster.

But there was really no need to disarm him in the first place.


115 posted on 01/22/2025 7:54:52 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: T.B. Yoits

Respectfully, I would disagree, The private market dwarfs the LE market. These “unsafe” triggers are everywhere in civilian targeted platforms. Everything from pocket pistols to high end sigs. There are many times more pistols with Glock style triggers sold every year than pistols with safeties or revolvers. It’s not even close and it’s civilians driving it. If you look at the majority of respected firearms experts they are not calling this design inherently unsafe. Like every gun, they simply need to be handled correctly.

In every instance ( except dropped sig p320’s) these are negligent (not accidental) discharges. Somebody pressed the trigger hard enough to discharge the firearm as intended. If you look at the amount of negligent discharges compared to the millions sold/carried etc. the number is actually quite low. The media loves to hype anything that makes gun ownership and carrying look bad. There is not an epidemic of Glock triggers wounding people. Quite the opposite.


116 posted on 01/23/2025 8:57:54 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum (I’m )
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To: 1malumprohibitum
There are many times more pistols with Glock style triggers sold every year than pistols with safeties or revolvers.

Again, an inordinate amount of those are sold to law enforcement and government agencies for their on and off-duty firearms.

It's far less costly for agencies to replace firearms instead of rebuilding them. No need to hire and outfit an armorer or incur legal liability from servicing the weapons. Additionally, these type of guns are not designed to be rebuilt as older firearms were. It's a $400 disposable tool to them. The days of being issued a .38 revolver, firing twelve rounds once a year on the range to remain certified, and then turning your gun in when retiring decades later are long gone.

Between new hires and training, most departments are ordering all new handguns less than every ten years. A quick calculation of departments and agencies all over the country shows just how many of these weapons regularly sold are for law enforcement, government agencies, and private security.

The 40 S&W for law enforcement and government agencies is another example of caliber and model changes that affect sales data. It was introduced in 1990, departments switched to it, and by 2015 departments were switching back to 9mm. During that time, many individuals bought personal handguns in 40 S&W following the trend and seeking ammunition that was lowered in price due to the increased implementation. Since the military adopted the Sig P320-M17 in 2017, many departments and agencies are also adopting them as they can get a good price.

117 posted on 01/23/2025 9:19:10 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: 1malumprohibitum
This scenario where the driver was shot with his own gun by the inept cop highlights a major flaw in carrying a firearm without a manual safety.

All the training in the world and the best holster available isn't going to help you when an incompetent individual handles your gun. You spend every effort, constantly throughout your day, ensuring that you're the only one who will handle your gun and that you'll keep it out of the hands of children and untrained adults. Then you get pulled over by the cops...

...and you're completely at the mercy of their deficiencies in mindset, training, and focus. A manual safety in this case would have been for her, not him. None of his training and care has any offset for her incompetence.

The world has changed. A gun carrier is forewarned that the chances of a shockingly incompetent cop handling their weapon on their person is increasing, not decreasing.

118 posted on 01/23/2025 9:27:40 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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To: T.B. Yoits

You keep making the claim that more are sold to LE than to civilians with no support for it. It doesn’t even pass a basic logic test. The entire firearms market is driven by civilian purchasers. Also, LE is not buying guns every month in huge #’s. LE gun purchases are a small % of the overall gun sales.

A simple search shows that on average 1.4 million handguns per month are sold. Every month, 1.4 million. There is no way that is LE dominated. There is only 1.2 mm law enforcement officers in the entire country. That is Federal State and Local. There is no way they are capable of buying the majority of handguns. They are not getting new guns every month or even every year. Simple math shows that even at a new gun per year, LE would buy 1.2 million out of 13.2 million. Again 1.2 million LE handgun purchases per year is not happening.


119 posted on 01/23/2025 12:10:51 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum (I’m )
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To: T.B. Yoits

i have a pellet gun that is identical to a 9mm pistol...


120 posted on 01/23/2025 2:03:58 PM PST by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 😁 )
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