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To: delta7
The Ukrainians will not agree to a treaty without genuine security guarantees, so even if NATO is not immediately in the offing, some other arrangement will be made that is comparable.

You will also have to give of the parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia you seized in exchange for the remainder of Luhansk and Donetsk.

9 posted on 01/15/2025 10:51:39 AM PST by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: pierrem15

European countries can provide those guarantees. We’ve done more than enough.

You’re probably right about the territory swap. It’ll be interesting to see if Zelensky’s bluster on that point finally falters.


11 posted on 01/15/2025 10:53:34 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Plans are worthless, but planning is everything. - Dwight Eisenhower, 1957)
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To: pierrem15
The Ukrainians will not agree to a treaty without genuine security guarantees

That won't involved NATO or Ukraine will cease to exist.

16 posted on 01/15/2025 11:13:00 AM PST by Kazan
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To: pierrem15; Kazan; Future Snake Eater; All

Sorry, although there will of course be face saving measures,
the Ukrainians (and their State Department/Foreign Office lackeys) will not get to disagree about anything.


36 posted on 01/15/2025 12:54:57 PM PST by A strike (death to taggers)
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To: pierrem15

lol.. nice demands, but haha.

Stay in Europe and deal with it... without exploiting America.

You and the rest of the Eurotrash scabs on FR.


41 posted on 01/15/2025 1:13:38 PM PST by AAABEST (That time Washington DC became a corrupted, existential threat to us all...)
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