FARAGE: This could be last American president who has an emotional attachment to Britain

TV ^ | Jan 5 | RF

[RandFan]

Nigel Farage on the Sunday shows in the UK

He says Starmer has a choice to make: Tie yourself to a failing Europe or associate with a booming America under Donald Trump in terms of trade deals.

I missed most of what he said on the rape gangs I had the volume turned down 😳

Will check the news.

[RandFan]

Harsh words

[jerod]

Instead of creating a new party or running as an independent, Trump instead reformed the Republican party... And it worked... Not everybody in the Republican party supports Trump, but they voted for him because he was the obvious choice. If Trump had created a new party or ran as an independent... Kamala would now be the new President.

Creating a ‘new’ party merely splits the vote and allows the Labour party to maintain power.

[BobL]

“If Trump had created a new party or ran as an independent... Kamala would now be the new President.”

Not just that, Skunk Cabbage would have been president in 2017. The sad thing is how many here couldn’t seem to figure out something that simple.

[Reily]

In a parliamentary system creating a new party can make sense but not always. I think in the UK the vote was so split across 9 party and independent groupings all an MP candidate had to do was win a plurality in the borough. That created a situation where a significant majority of voters voted against what ended up being the ruling majority. The Labor Parliament majority is deceptive in terms of actual voter support.

Trump understood that and did a hostile takeover of the GOP.

[caddie]

I would agree with you but for one thing: People change parties a little easier in the UK than here in the US, where Party is Religion.

Plus, the UK is in a tremendous state of flux, as is the world at large.

Merloni showed up at Mar-a-Lago yesterday, and many other world leaders are going to be joining the MEGA (Make Earth Great Again) movement, and making their pilgrimage to West Palm Beach.

It's beyond argument that socialism/Communism/Ratism is just beyond passe. Everyone, everywhere, gave it a good try-on for the past 200 years, and it just stinks, according to one and all, especially the 100 million people who died from it.

With Communism goes Globalism/UN-ism/welfare statism/mass third world invasions/druggyism/narcoadministration of Central and South American countries/skankiness/mass divorce/abortions as frequent as live births/illiterate majorities graduating from American high schools, etc. People are just done with all of it.

The only rational replacement for it is nationalism-conservatism-Republicanism. And the only philosophies that are consonant with that are Christianity and Judaism.

Paraphrasing Victor Hugo, when it comes to Communism, 'there is nothing so impotent as an idea whose time has gone.'

[Political Junkie Too]

it is quite obvious you can not reason.

I'll ignore the personal attack.

No other president has had a mother that was born in the U K.

Obama's father was born in a British colony, and Obama clearly had an emotional attachment to the UK, too. Only Obama's emotion was antipathy.

Ronald Reagan's grandmother was born in England, and his grandfather was Scottish.

I can't speak for others, but I know that all four of my grandparents were very involved in my childhood. My last grandparent passed away when I was 42 years old.

-PJ

[odawg]

I specified a mother that was born in the UK, as you did.

I suppose you could go back to Washington and rake up some close British kin.

Obama’s father, and that is debatable, I can assure you, had no attachment to England.

[Political Junkie Too]

I specified a mother that was born in the UK, as you did.

I did, but why draw the line at mother?

I suppose you could go back to Washington and rake up some close British kin.

The article spoke of the "last" not the "first," so I went back to Presidents in my lifetime.

I said mother because Trump's was the most recent and the original article spoke Trump being the last with "emotional attachment."

You posted some generic pablum in response to my response, so I went back a few presidents further to show additional emotional attachments. You have yet to explain an alternative to Farage's "emotional" aspect.

Obama’s father, and that is debatable...

So you're going with the birther argument?

I can assure you, had no attachment to England.

We're not talking about the parents' attachments, we're talking about the Presidents' attachments. There have been several articles debating whether Obama's antipathy to the UK was due to western anti-colonial sentiments, since his father was born in the British colony of British Kenya.

Again, I'm offering up personal examples of emotional attachments, and you've offered nothing to alternatively explain why Farage said "emotional" and not just "brotherhood of nations" diplospeak.

-PJ

[ckilmer]

Imho the way to solve the dewesternization of the west is to pair mass deportation with a massive effort to collapse the cost of seawater desalination and transport… such that it becomes economic to farm any desert on the planet.

[wildcard_redneck]

"Instead of creating a new party or running as an independent, Trump instead reformed the Republican party... And it worked... Not everybody in the Republican party supports Trump, but they voted for him because he was the obvious choice. If Trump had created a new party or ran as an independent... Kamala would now be the new President.
Creating a ‘new’ party merely splits the vote and allows the Labour party to maintain power.

Maybe you could explain to me the fate of the Whigs and Torie. The GOPe has better straighten up and actually DO WHAT THE PROMISED or they can crater and many on this forum wouldn't be sad to see the useless tools go.

[odawg]

Just give it up. Everyone with the slightest knowledge of history know that the British and the Americans have had a special relationship.

For centuries, American high schools have a year of American English literature and a year of British literature.

My elementary teachers always pointed out that England was our mother country.

We as a nation use British common law.

“You posted some generic pablum in response to my response...”

You don’t know what the word means.

“So you’re going with the birther argument?”

Again, you don’t know how to use logic. No Kenyan, and no black African, has emotional attachments to England.

“We’re not talking about the parents’ attachments, we’re talking about the Presidents’ attachments.”

Wow. I never said one word about parents’ attachment. Youo must be stupid. Don’t waste your time posting me back, I don’t knowingly read posts from stupid people.

[Political Junkie Too]

Everyone with the slightest knowledge of history know that the British and the Americans have had a special relationship.

I know that. I also know that's not going to change. I focused on the "emotional" aspect of Farage's comment, which you are dismissing out of hand.

I obviously don't believe that Trump will be the last president to honor the bond with England, I just want to know why Farage believes Trump will be the last president with an "emotional" bond with England.

-PJ

[Political Junkie Too]

Wow. I never said one word about parents’ attachment. Youo must be stupid.

Yes, you did.

Obama’s father, and that is debatable, I can assure you, had no attachment to England.

Not only did you say it, you "assured" me about it. Who's being stupid now?

I hope you'll forgive me for not accepting your assurances, but hate is just as much an emotion as love, and if native Kenyans hate England because of their colonial occupation, that's still an emotional connection. Obama Sr. could have passed that hate for England down to Obama, Jr., just as Trump's mother could have passed her love for Scotland down to her son.

Farage's comment implied a personal connection -- an emotional connection, not an obligation towards a historic one, and you're the one who's refusing to consider the possibility.

-PJ