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I listened to the interview and Sean Ryan did his usual excellent job. A few thoughts:

1. Gallaudet is definitely credible. I have no reason to doubt anything he said.

2. It sounds like he has no idea who is really “in charge”. He made assumptions about who he thought might be running the coverup (DCI, National Security Advisor) but had no hard evidence for it.

3. Likewise he had no explanation about how the secret-keepers pass on their secrets from one administration to another—or one decade or another. Matthew Pines has much deeper analysis on these points.

4. That means the Admiral is flying blind—very dangerous imho. It is the exact hazard he describes about submariners not having a good map of sections of the ocean floor.

5. What is he supposed to do if he finds an underwater base that could be human or NHI or both? Is it national security and he needs to keep quiet about it? I don’t think he has thought this stuff all the way through.

Anyway—I think Matthew Pines is the guy who is cutting edge—has a deep understanding of the federal and corporate bureaucracies, understands secret organizations including secret societies—so Pines is not flying blind.

That means Pines has credibility with whoever is pulling the strings—and could persuade them it is in their long term interest to allow all of us to share in technological wonders that are within our reach—and Pines has the brilliance to help them map win win tactics.

I think Matthew Pines is excellent—he offers great insights and, unlike Gallaudet, isn't bound by NDAs. That said, Gallaudet comes across as transparent, but it's clear he knows far more than he's letting on. After watching several of his interviews, I’ve noticed that, like many former military officers, he seems to downplay his knowledge, perhaps deliberately, given his prior roles.

As a Navy flag officer, Gallaudet likely has access to information Pines can only speculate about. His credentials are extraordinary: Oceanographer of the Navy, Commander of the Naval Meteorology and Oceanography Command, and Acting Administrator of NOAA. If anyone in the Navy knows the truth about underwater or transmedium UAPs, it’s Gallaudet. His background places him in a unique position to understand and contextualize these phenomena.

I meant to add this about Gallaudet.

His role in the Navy was extraordinarily important because weather and oceanography are critical to naval operations. Without superior data from Gallaudet's command, the Navy would face significant disadvantages in mission planning and execution, from submarine warfare to carrier operations.

Unlike most Naval flag officers, his responsibilities spanned the full spectrum of naval operations—military strategy/execution, scientific exploration, and intelligence integration.

He knows.