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To: Bob Ireland; Melian

***I wonder if Christ visited the Guf after His death to ease their wait***
🤷‍♂️ He hasn’t said... I am not sure that those souls are ‘alive’ {sentient}, kind of like a contract or a covenant - a written agreement. ‘Guf’ {Guph} means ‘body’ - a tricky concept. In Genesis God creates the body of ‘man’; afterwards He ‘breathes’ life into the body. Such metaphysics 🌌 can get over my head quickly. 💥


I love this subject. There is just so much we don’t know but wish we did.


2,193 posted on 01/11/2025 8:13:49 AM PST by Faith65 (Isaiah 40:31 )
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To: Faith65; Melian
***I wonder if Christ visited the Guf after His death to ease their wait***
"According to the Talmud, Yevamot 62a, the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls."

The 'Guf' in the passage in Talmud 62a is interpreted to mean -the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn-.

We must presume that the soul originally derives from the Infinite Spirit - ein soph in Hebrew, 'No Thing'. From there interpretive views may differ. A Nazarene writer, James Trimm, "The Guf and Pre-existence", refers to the Talmud Niddah 30b:

The Talmud also records a tradition which states that at the time a soul is sent into the world, an oath is administered to the soul by Elohim, as follows:

Be righteous and be not wicked; and even if the whole world tells you that you are righteous, regard yourself as if you were wicked.
(b.Niddah 30b)

This begs the question: is the soul 'sent into the world' at conception or at birth. Seemingly the soul is assigned at birth. ❓ {Is the soul sentient prior to assignment?}

Obviously the Talmud does not recognize Jesus as 'the son of David.'

2,221 posted on 01/11/2025 11:15:57 AM PST by Bob Ireland (The Democrap Party is the enemy of freedom.They use all the seductions and deceits of the Bolshevics)
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