Not at all. I'm the one who points out that the British Empire forced slavery upon the United States, by vetoing our pre-U.S.-colonial laws that would've started the process, remember?
(all of this paragraph is irrelevant to the discussion but it adds context)But I don't support Britain paying reparations to African Americans. Old injustices are just that. Old. The new injustice is The 1619 Project. So this information about British vetos becomes very valuable then. The U.S. is actually a victim in the slavery arena. We have the text of the vetos to prove it.
In any case back to the 14th if there's something that needs to be fixed, then let's fix it.
"We should not meekly accept a situation created by someone ignoring constitutional law and doing whatever they want simply because they have power.
Wait. Isn't that your *EXACT POINT* regarding how the 14th amendment is misinterpreted to allow all the nonsense?"
No, it's not the exact point. There is no misinterpretation. There is only a lie. Progressives are liars first and foremost. Let me explain something to you. There's two rules to follow here. Only two are required:
First. Progressives are liars.
Second. If you ever have any doubts whatsoever, refer back to rule number 1.
On some topic related to black people specifically, we can talk misinterpretation. On some topic like prayer in schools no. The Civil War was not fought over prayer in schools. Am I still lecturing you Civil War guy that the Civil War was not fought over prayer in schools?
"Why isn't the creation of the 14th also a lie?"
A fair question. Problem is, the civil war is over. All we can do now is fix the amendment or repeal it. Complaining to me isn't getting it fixed one or the other.
"*NONE* of us agree with using the 14th amendment to create any of those results, but we recognize that the courts who created them, claim it was the 14th amendment which gave them the power to do so."
Given the construct of this sentence I'm not putting words into your mouth. You own them. That sentence should have contained the word lie, but it did not. So I'm not putting any single word whatsoever in your mouth. You're doing it very deftly all on your own.
You keep doing this. Very, very consistent. You say the courts are using it, you say the courts are claiming it. But never once, ever, do you say the claim is a lie. That trust is never broken. If I missed it I apologize, but I cannot say I have ever seen that trust broken.
You are completely stuck on being wedded to the idea that yes, this has to come from the 14th. For whatever reason, you're unwilling to entertain that perhaps progressive lies stand alone.
"Why do you keep trying to accuse us of supporting ideas we don't support?"
See post 137 or 136. https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4287265/posts?page=137#137 Note the difference between the two. BTW, my word is belief not support.
First. Progressives are liars.
So the people who collected all those ratifications from the Southern states were just liars when they said it was all legitimate?
Well yes. Therefore the 14th was never a legitimate amendment from the beginning. It never received actual ratification votes, but the liars said it did, and we've been dealing with the consequence of it being passed fraudulently ever since.
The Civil War was not fought over prayer in schools. Am I still lecturing you Civil War guy that the Civil War was not fought over prayer in schools?
You are lecturing your own straw man, because none of us suggested that it was.
A fair question. Problem is, the civil war is over. All we can do now is fix the amendment or repeal it. Complaining to me isn't getting it fixed one or the other.
I'm not trying to fix it, I recognize that wrong will never be corrected, but I am trying to get people to recognize that the passage of the 13th, the 14th, and the 15th amendments were an abuse of the US Constitution amendment process.
The people who perpetrated this violation of our constitution are all long dead, and the culture has become so firmly ingrained with what they did that it is simply not possible to undo it.
But it would be good to see that people comprehend that the liberals have been lying about the constitution since at least the 1860s.
Given the construct of this sentence I'm not putting words into your mouth. You own them. That sentence should have contained the word lie, but it did not.
The courts do not believe they lie. Whether *WE* believe it is irrelevant to the fact *THEY* have the power to lie and impose that lie on us, and calling them liars might make us feel better, but it won't change anything about what they declared the 14th amendment requires.
And the bad wording and overreach of the 14th amendment bears some blame itself.
Have you ever heard of the "Incorporation doctrine"? That is the main way they abuse all sorts of states rights, such as forcing Abortion and Gay Marriage down our throats.
According to them, the "incorporation doctrine" requires that all prohibitions against the Federal government must also apply to the states. Therefore if it is illegal for the Federal government to recognize an official religion, it is illegal for a state to do so as well.
Of course this is nonsense, but a fair reading of the 14th makes it a reasonable interpretation that they can do this.
The 14th was a horribly written amendment that tried to do too much and was too vague in important points.
Had it been written better, they would have had more difficulty making things up by using it.