The U.S. Constitution does not stand alone, people frequently cite the Federalist papers to explain it. Equally, people can and sometimes do use James Madison's debate notes to explain the U.S. Constitution.
This is largely how Originalism works. (There are plenty of other documents as well)
I'm frequently told, by including yourself, that "the poorly worded 14th amendment" made all of this Santa Claus stuff possible through the courts.
No. That's the progressivism trust. There are also debate notes for the 14th Amendment. We can be originalists here, too. We know what they did and didn't discuss and illegal aliens wasn't it. The courts can claim all they want that they're relying on the 14th, but it's just lies.
The 14th amendment is a slavery amendment and nothing more. Just solely a slavery amendment. It really puts the lies of progressivism in context. It doesn't come from the 14th amendment. It just comes from the courts and nothing more. There is a clear and undeniable wall of separation between the two.
"people here are absolutely against using the 14th to do all that other stupid stuff the courts have used it for."
See, this. You're doing it right now. You're at a loss to understand how I can come to this conclusion, well here it is. Here is the sentence. You just did it. You just proved me.
The progressives and the courts are not "using" the 14th to do all of these things. That's just a lie that progressives tell. You could tell me right now you used a fire extinguisher to fly to the moon but I'm not going to believe you because that tool doesn't make that action possible. The tool and the action do not align. As such, it would simply be just a lie. So it is with the 14th amendment.
The tool and the action do not align. As a tool the 14th is a slavery amendment, it does not enable illegal aliens. The tool cannot do that. The tool is a slavery amendment, it does not enable gay marriages or abortions or any of the other fluff. The tool cannot do that. It's not possible.
You trust the progressives. You do absolutely trust them. You just did.
Exactly what I wanted, you just delivered.
The courts disagree, and they have the power to enforce their stupid and wrong headed ideas.
The tool and the action do not align. As a tool the 14th is a slavery amendment, it does not enable illegal aliens. The tool cannot do that. The tool is a slavery amendment, it does not enable gay marriages or abortions or any of the other fluff. The tool cannot do that. It's not possible.
The tool is an ill defined blob of power, and they used it like a hammer. Had it been more refined and better written, they would not have been able to use it like a hammer to beat the law into any form they liked.
You trust the progressives. You do absolutely trust them. You just did.
I absolutely do trust them to abuse power. You should too. They consistently abuse power whenever they have it. If you don't trust them to abuse power, you are being foolish.
Liberals abuse power, and that is also what they did when they wrote the 14th amendment. There is no way that amendment should have legitimately passed.
We are to believe the Southern states fought for four years to keep slavery, yet we are told they willingly voted to give slaves freedom, citizenship and voting rights?
Does that seem realistic to you? All that blood and treasure and they just voted to throw away all that sacrifice?
No, the 14th amendment was created by liberals, written very badly, and other liberals have been using it as a tool to bash law into whatever form they wanted.
The 14th may have been good intentioned, but it has been a disaster in reality.