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Posted on 12/23/2024 3:41:58 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
Until you can show me a complete audit of sources of income that go towards the healthcare system, I can maintain my position. Secret taxes are still taxes. If I were taxed a nickel on a bag of chips, that went towards healthcare, I am a nickel poorer and robbed of my future by a nickel. It’s immoral.
If you justify socialized healthcare, you are justifying slavery. Whether it is practiced in Europe or America, socialist medicine is medicine that is paid for by the enslavement of people. Arguing that it is cheaper to do it this way is only arguing for the enslavement of people, because you think you are saving money for yourself.
You have not shown me anything. It is impossible for there to be higher taxes in Europe, enough to create a differential between Europe and America and somehow more taxes from America goes towards healthcare. Europe is just not being honest on this point.
Even if it were true, it’s not justifiable to impoverish people for personal benefit. The young that are being robbed in Europe will no have the bright future that the baby boomers took for themselves. The baby boomer population impoverished and killed their young, through abortion, so they could live well for themselves. Complete selfishness.
“American taxes are lower than Europe. Consequently, the standard of living in America is higher than Europe, when you compare identical incomes.”
This is true.
“I can go buy property in America for as little as $10,000 and throw a trailer on it and call it home. “
Yes you can. In Spain, Portugal, Italy, and I think France you can easily get that deal, or better, for acreage, depending on location. They will also sell you an “abandoned” village house for one Euro, sometimes with attached land. And you can park your trailer too. I see lots.
Same in Japan.
“You’d have to prove to me that European healthcare is funded only through direct taxation”
My reading ability in Spanish, French, Italian and German is not sufficient for that. Let’s try English and Canada:
This is what doctors get paid in Saskatchewan [Canada] for insured patients:
I’m sure the doctors in Saskatchewan, Canada like to know about any other funding.
I’m sure American doctors would not enjoy reading the schedule.
That’s good to know about property in Europe. I can stand corrected on that. It just makes good financial sense to do that, because unclaimed property does not generate tax revenue.
I have shown you the link for comparisons of medical expenditure national accounts from the OECD.
I was comparing the US vs Europe on this matter. I am not required to simultaneously address the impending heat death of the universe.
In Canada, I have to pay about $6,000/yr for a healthcare system that I have no use for. It has cost me over $200,000 over my working life for a healthcare that will not be available for me in the end, because the money is gone. I would have to rob the children of their future, in the same manner that my future was taken from me for the benefit of those that are now 65 years and older.
Canada is not a good nation to try and argue for the merits of a public healthcare system, because I live here. If it’s beyond a broken leg, you get put on a waiting list and you pray for the death of those ahead of you so you can move up the list and get treatment before you end up dying on the list and allowing others to move up the list.
There is no merit to public healthcare, because it is immoral and it based on the idea that people exist as a resource source for the benefit of the liberal.
You haven’t shown me all possible taxes in Europe that go towards healthcare. Maybe such a source does not exist, which makes it suspicious that Europe would want to hide that knowledge.
If you haven’t shown me the hidden taxes, or direct taxes, that are redirected towards healthcare, than you haven’t shown me anything.
“The young that are being robbed in Europe will no have the bright future that the baby boomers took for themselves.”
Consider the USA. That “free” schooling wasn’t free to me.
I have 30 or so years of property tax bills for K-12 schooling in my house.
I don’t think I have the Fairfax County property tax bills as they were sent to my mortgage company. They’d be about $4,000/year in 2024 dollars for about nine years.
In about three years, I will be expecting monthly deposits for SS from their FICA.
My mother worked for Canadians.
She only got the idea that the Canadian system was better, reinforced by her paying for what Blue Shield didn’t.
May I suggest that your problems may be specific (or more salient) to Canada?
In Spain there are relatively few such complaints.
Schooling can be justified, because it results in a work-ready person who ends up paying taxes that exceed the costs of educating him. If it weren’t for the tendency for corruption by big government liberals, it would be more justifiable to publicly educate people than pay for their healthcare because of the increase of productivity.
Public healthcare is not necessary. You go buy $300 worth of books that relates to all things healthcare and lifestyle and you’d have 95% of all your healthcare needs met without relying upon anybody else. Then you could pay for private insurance for the remainder,
I’m not going to have any socialism to fund my old age, because the money is gone. I expect to be on the street when I am in need of that promised social spending that will not be there.
All taxes, hidden or not, have to ultimately = all expenditures.
Unless there is a large underground market for health care services (not captured by national accounds because it is illegal), somehow paid for by taxation, hidden or not, your concerns seem irrelevant.
Imagine a doctor working under the table, not reporting his taxable income, but somehow still getting reimbursed by the Ministry of Health.
Sylvia’s mom had colon cancer.
Sylvia’s father had prostate cancer.
I never heard an adverse word from Sylvia in over three decades about NHS service.
Post-war Twiggy generation Brit Sylvia was not happy to be declined for BC/BS coverage when “fat American [not politically correct]” got coverage.
Right, so show me all sources of taxation in Europe that go towards healthcare. You haven’t done this yet. I understand the European government might not want the population to know, but it is what is being done.
Math is math.
The NHS exercises mercy killing by denying the infirmed water.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/06/the-nhs-is-overfunded-and-still-killing-people/
In socialist medicine, you are a cost and not a customer.
“You haven’t shown me all possible taxes in Europe that go towards healthcare. Maybe such a source does not exist, which makes it suspicious that Europe would want to hide that knowledge.”
The British Medical Association [of doctors] will tell you about the underfunding of the NHS for as long as you care to hear it, and more.
“Ex, an 80 year old in Spain and France can expect to live another 10.11 or 10.61 years. The US is between 7 and 9 years, though that is based on old data.”
Diversity is the mother of Invention.
Nobody in the LAAP-dog media wants to ask that question.
-PJ
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